• LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
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      26 days ago

      Aight criticizing NYT staff for having “ties to Israel” is coming awfully close to just saying “NYT has too many Jews”. You do know that service in the IDF is mandatory for all Israelis right? Having a lot of Jewish staff didn’t stop them from bringing down Weinstein. Leftists hate identity politics except for this one particular instance.

      Also, literally the NYT headline right now: Anger Over Starvation in Gaza Leaves Israel Increasingly Isolated

      “Global outrage at the Netanyahu government’s actions has grown since the war began, and the suffering of children in the enclave has accelerated the disdain.”

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          26 days ago

          Right, but having Israeli relatives (as a large portion of the American Jewish population does) doesn’t make you an Israeli either, and it certainly doesn’t make you a Zionist as the article above claims. How would you feel if someone labeled you an Imperialist or Fascist just because you’re American?

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            26 days ago

            Source?

            Most American Jews moved here before the end of WW2, after the diaspora we lived all over Europe and elsewhere for centuries. Nearly half of all Jews live in America, and have for generations now - since before the state of Israel was created

            We didn’t come here from Israel, we don’t have “family back home”. I really doubt most of us have ties to Israel at all

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                25 days ago

                Yeah… That’s just a small collection of anacdotal evidence, and my anacdotal evidence totally contradicts it

                Look at the subreddit name. Why would you be in that subreddit? Probably because you’re invested in the religion side of our culture, which is totally optional. Or you’re into our history. These are things that make you more likely to visit Israel, a place full of historical, religious, and cultural artifacts

                You seem more genuinely ignorant than anything darker, so let me take this opportunity to lay it out

                Israel has a promise to all of us - we will protect our own next time someone does a genocide. Because the Holocaust wasn’t the first time we experienced ethnic cleansing… Were the ones who look like the people where we live, but are different. I like to say, “we’re always second”, because when they run out of gypsies or black people, the fascists will need a next enemy

                Israel offers free trips to young adults. You fly over, see the sights, and get indoctrination against Palestinians. I tried to do this years back before I knew the details… But there’s another natural requirement. You have to be an active part of a group that focuses on Jewish heritage - I showed up a few times, applied, but I’m an American first and foremost. You need to be an active member of a Jewish identity group to even get in… And this is my heritage, not all I am. So I was filtered, like most of us are

                The Palestine issue was uncomfortable for a long time…I mean, it’s was definitely uncomfortable, but it was a guaranteed safe harbor. I think this is how most of us felt… Conflicted

                But then October 7th happened, and the response made it clear what this was. We had to confront what this was, and most of us are very upset about it, because our history is being on the other side of it

                And now, they’re coming for the Latinos. I know how this story ends, and I don’t want to be deported to Israel. I know it sounds crazy now, but it’s not. We’re 2 years away from “putting the Jews back where they belong”

                We are not Israeli. Those people are fucking crazy, don’t put me in the same breath as them. Don’t apologize for the IDF. Don’t launder what is happening.

                Make the difference clear in your mind and in your words.