cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/50693956
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A post by [object Object] (@zzt@mas.to) saying: courtesy of @davidgerard@circumstances.run, Proton is now the only privacy vendor I know of that vibe codes its apps: In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure! I am once again begging anyone who will listen to get off of Proton as soon as reasonably possible, and to avoid their new (terrible) apps in any case. https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/114961415946154957
It has a reply by the author saying: in an unsurprising update for those familiar with how Proton operates, they silently rewrote their monorepo’s history to purge .cursor and hide that they were vibe coding: https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/tree/2a5e2ad4db0c84f39050bf2353c944a96d38e07f
given the utter lack of communication from Proton on this, I can only guess they’ve extracted .cursor into an external repository and continue to use it out of sight of the public
Mastodon at it again with pitchforks and torches for the slightest inconvenience.
Using Cursor doesn’t prove anything. Many people use Cursor as an advanced autocomplete, nothing else. It’s not like they’re hammering random AI-generated code and merging it without thinking. “Vibe coding” means generating barely-working code you don’t understand to try and get thinks working.
This shit is why I hate the mastodon community, it’s always strawmen and “you’re one of THEM” style witchhunts with them
The anti-AI circlejerk even here on lemmy is now just about as bad as the pro-AI circlejerk in the general public, no room for nuance or rational thinking, just dunking on everyone who say anything remotely positive about AI, like when I said I like the autocomplete feature of copilot.
I’m a pretty big generative AI hater when it comes to art and writing. I don’t think generative AI can make meaningful art because it cannot come up with new concepts. Art is something that AI should be freeing up time in our lives for us to do. But that’s not how it’s shaping up.
However, AI is very helpful for understanding codebases and doing things like autocompletion. This is because code is less expressive than human language and it’s easier for AI to approximate what is necessary.
I’m personally scared of AI (not angry or hateful, actually scared by just how fast it’s advancing) and that definitely clouds my judgement of it and makes nuance difficult.
It’s like a deal with the devil. You see all these amazing benefits but you just know you’re the one being taken advantage of, because, like the devil, AI corporations by definition only think about how you can be of use to them.
You’re not alone. Nuance is just harder to convey, takes more effort to post something nuanced. And so people do it less, myself included. But I think truthfully that many people are not so stuck in one or the other circlejerks. It’s lovely to see people in this thread who are annoyed by both.
Natural language processing makes TTS way more usable for people with reading disabilities. But there are absolutely no good uses of AI.
The worrying part is rewriting repository history to cover it up
Just because they are using Cursor, it doesn’t mean that they are vibe coding. Anyone grabbing their pitchforks for that and screaming “they are vibecoding” only shows their own incompetence.
If they would be vibecoding, their whole software would’ve gone to shit long ago.
Just because some random people without an engineering background are using vibecoding to push their broken slop, it doesn’t mean that any kind of AI assisted coding is bad.
If that was the case, maybe they would have responded with that instead of covering up the evidence
It’s definitely badly communicated and suspicious, I just called out jumping to extreme conclusions based on a suspicion alone. There probably will be people who are gonna review the code and see how much of it is probably LLM generated, and then we will know. I still think that it’s pretty much impossible to vibe code something on that scale, but I haven’t seen their cursorrules either.
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Absolutely, I do them daily, what about you?
If they would vibe code a functional Proton Drive Linux client then I might be OK with it.
The only way to completely avoid things developed by vibe coding will be to stop using computers of any kind. Go full Thoreau.
Using Cursor =/= “Vibe Coding” people need to really stop with getting jumpy about everything in such a way.
Plug for Tuta. 🤷♂️ The user experience isn’t the best, but it’s as secure as it gets. Small team, no vibe coding.
Hmm… Been looking into it myself recently. What’s your issue with the user experience?
Seemed like a better email/call product all around plus extra 5gb for email storage
Not an issue, per se. In order to keep the team small they built most the app in a single codebase. It’s mostly web code, and the apps are wrappers for it. So it keeps it unified between all clients but it definitely feels like a web wrapper, so it can feel a bit slow or clunky.
Ok this landed…
Yeah coming from proton wrapper slopz it actually felt better but yeah it is still wrapper slop.
Us Linux girls, take what we can get. I ain’t picky
self-hosting email, text based clients and a deeper understanding of the protocol made me start to love email. I didn’t think it was possible to love email.
I’m not sure why being a “privacy vendor” forbids you from using AI tools in your development process
You are buying a bicycle online.
Both are the same price, but one is handmade by a skilled professional with decades of experience, the other is made by a sketchy machine that even it’s creators don’t really understand… and sometimes uses square wheels instead of round.
Your choice.
I see their repo is open source. Is there any actual evidence that the sketchy machine generated any part of it?
God dammit, I wish I could reasonably roll my own email, but noooo, spammers and blacklists had to fucking ruin it. Now I get to research a new provider and change email on a bunch of accounts…
Spammers and blacklists may not be as big of an issue as you think, as long as you don’t share you real email with untrusted apps (eg: only use email aliases from something like Simplelogin or anonaddy).
Nevertheless you could always setup your own domain with an email service, which lets you more easily migrate platforms.
I believe simplelogin lets you change your mailbox for aliases so in an even that you are changing email address, you can redirect those too.
That’s not the issue
It’s a massive pain to actually get your emails to be received if you use a random self hosted ip
Oh i guess thats what they meant by blacklist, was not thinking of ip reputation? If that’s the issue, I have never experienced it, I believe there are tools you can use to see if your ip is bad and in that case u can probably ask ur isp for a new one (if u pay for static ip).
My other advice for using your own domain still stands, makes it a lot easier to swap around providers.
I dont see any problem with AI coding. It can be done without the editor supporting it by just asking for a function like please implement a sort function given a list of numbers.
Proton code is open source, so all AI agents have already read everything. You as user just have to do the code review, fix it and test. I am not seeing any problem here.
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Who are you talking about?
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And you think Andy Yen supports Trump because of a single Tweet?
https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305eNuance? And a Lemmy.ml user?
You also have already failed the purity test by considering a different narrative.
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I object to your wording of “just” fucking dumb. They’re not mutually exclusive, he’s definitely evil as well.
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