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Mexico’s president says ‘there will be no invasion … it’s absolutely off the table’ after news reports of order
Mexico’s president, Claudia Sheinbaum, has rejected the idea that the US might invade Mexico after news reports suggested Donald Trump had authorized the use of military force targeting drug cartels deemed terrorist organizations in Latin American countries.
“The United States is not going to come to Mexico with their military,” she said during a daily news conference on Friday. “We cooperate, we collaborate, but there will be no invasion. It’s off the table, absolutely off the table.”
The Mexican president said her government had been informed of the executive order but insisted that “it had nothing to do with the participation of any military or any institution on our territory. There is no risk that they will invade our territory.”
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My money would be on the cartels if this happened.
If he was gonna do it he would have already. This is BS drama trump is stirring up on an international scale to try and get us to stop talking about the Epstein files. RELEASE THE DAMN FILES.
The 1000 FBI agents are still redacting trumps name from the files, they need more time.
“HOW THE FUCK DID HE END UP IN THAT MANY PLACES!?!?”
I’m sure epstein kept saying how innocent trump was, that’s why he’s there so often.
- Yes, I would like a large cheese pizza, as large as trump is innocent.
You know what would be an even better distraction? Actually invading Mexico. You’re brushing off this threat and not taking it seriously just like the first election as if he can’t possibly be serious and no serious person would go along with it anyway. You can’t just sloganeer your way out of this. Hitler is telling us he wants to own the rest of Europe and murder all the Jews. The first of the concentration camps are already complete. He has already begun rounding up undesirables en masse, with effective legal impunity. What the fuck makes you so fucking certain he doesn’t want to invade France too?! Wake the fuck up.
I think you misunderstood me. I do in fact consider it a very serious threat. In fact basically everything trump does is a very serious threat. That’s just reality and I think you and I would both agree on that.
I want to make one thing clear, I see absolutely no reason to listen to trump, he is at best a liar, a criminal, and a traitor.
That being said a threat for the sake of distraction, whether empty or not, perfectly fits one of his common propaganda techniques. It would make perfect sense that he is deflecting from something he doesn’t want the public to pay attention to, and in my opinion that means the correct course of action(at least for a powerless shmuck like me) is to pay the fuck attention to that thing and to get other people to pay attention to that too. It makes sense that the Epstein files are that thing, since it seems to be one of the only things his base sees as controversial, hence my original comment.
So well that’s currently my plan, you got a better one?
The cartels are an evil scourge without a trace of humanity. Nothing of value will be lost if they’re swept off the board. I hope their buttholes are puckering at the thought of Delta and SEAL teams kicking down their doors.
The most effective way to dismantle criminal organizations of any nature is not by guns and bullets but by eliminating their markets.
People resort to drugs out of despair and disinformation. They either want an escape of reality or they want to “have fun” and they disregard or ignore the trap drugs represent.
Give to people security and a good life, inform and educate them, create safety nets for them to crash when things go wrong and 90% of drug trafficking and related crime just disappears. The other 10% you keep at bay by having good, humane, well trained police, on which the population can trust and rely.
Going for an all out war on cartels is a nighmare waiting to happen, at your door.
How would you feel about Mexican military doing operations in the US?
It would ideally be a combined operation, obviously. Mexico either can’t or refuses to clean house. If the cartels are spilling over the border then the US has every right to excise them at the source bin Laden style.
What the fuck are you even talking about? What organisation has the US wiped out with this approach? Last I checked the Taliban is still going.
The cartels are violent organisations that are deeply embedded in Mexico. Killing a bunch of them won’t resolve the actual problems that facilitated their rise.
Ffs. It’s like someone walked out of a time machine from 2002 and started spouting posy-9/11 rhetoric. And I’m reminded of just how fucking stupid everyone was back then. Read a fucking book.
Last I checked the Taliban is still going.
You’re absolutely right.
Even better, thanks to U.S involvement, they’ve got a whole country in their clutches now!
🇺🇸✌️MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!✌️🦅
There’s times when violent intervention is unavoidable, and cartels are decidedly not a force for good in this world, but it’s seriously sad how we’ve conditioned the civilian populace into casually thinking “Maybe if we just killed them all that would fix problems!”
“Just one more invasion bro. Just one more, just one more drone strike bro. It’ll fix everything this time! Trust me bro. One more Contra op! Just bump my defense stonks a little bit bro! Just little bump! C’moooon!”
Spoken like a cartel spokesperson. They paying you in coke? :P
How little you value the sovereignty of other nations.
Yeah, I value the eradication of murderous scum over sovereignty. Guilty as charged.
Mexico has no military that could stop the US. Maybe sanctions…but it’s not like saying “no” ever stopped Mango Mussolini.
They have a whole lot of people who could pass as someone genuinely from the US underclass for long enough to get into a shopping mall or some legislatures with an automatic weapon.
And a border long enough that they can’t be efficiently stopped, especially as the front overtakes them. Look at Russia and Ukraine and a third of the Russian strategic airforce in flames.
Ukraine has the benefit of bordering a powerful alliance that is giving them weapons, Mexico does not.
Guatemala, Belize, and boats from Cuba are nowhere near the same thing as getting literal trainloads of heavy weapons and fighting vehicles through Poland.
comparing Mexican/Cartel resistance to an aggressive America, is not even in the same conversation as the bumbling fuckwit Russian invasion of Europe.
The EU and the US is giving Ukraine weapons because every bunch of old tech we give them means one less Russian armored division we need to worry about.
Why would China not do the same and fire up a whole bunch of container ships loaded with old shit and drop it off in Latin America? How long would it take for the US occupation force to start to find Chinese missile launchers and drones taking Abrams platoons to the cleaners?
And if the US started a Mexican occupation, do you think the whole of Latin America would just look on, or rather drift into a Chinese sphere of influence as a result? How long until you had Chinese military presence in Panama for example? Imagine a blockade on US trade in Panama, enforced by Chinese anti-ship missiles.
It would be the mother of all clusterfucks.
Ukraine doesn’t have to worry about Russian troops intercepting Aid trans and planes coming from the west. (although they do a good job at stirring up locals into doing things like farmer protests blocking aid)
Central america on the other hand, Has the entire pacific ocean, and the US Navy to deal with. if the US was off the rails on fascist-invade-your-neighbors mode. the navy would absolutely be blockading the region and sinking any ship that came near it that tried to break the blockade.
I’m sorry, your analogy just doesnt work. yes there would be some attempts at international interference and shitpot stirring in that scenario, but Mexico is in a very poor position to defend itself if they were ever invaded. The Americans biggest problem would be internal protest and internal violence.
Would the US Navy be able to block every Chinese container ship to approach the whole of the Americas? Note, they aren’t warships, they are there for trade, legitimate trade actually. Would it be able to stop every ship the Chinese might be able to charter? Even searching those ships would be an insane task. Would they be able to check under every crate of bananas whether there is a guided missile hiding in there? Would they be able to do that without the oligarchs who will be bleeding money screeching bloody murder?
It would effectively have the US sanction itself, and cause the US to have larger problems than Mexican insurgents. Like the dollar being worth nothing. It’s not 1940 anymore. The world is in this together, and our economies are tightly coupled enough that even sanctioning regional players like Russia have dire economic consequences.
And China would already be happy that the US is spending all that money maneuvering carrier groups around looking for 200 dollar assault rifles. Same logic as in Ukraine, one dollar spent in aid causes fifty in damage to the invaders’ economy. And China can outmanufacture the US easily at this point.
I am with you until the last sentence.
In an actual war, the US would take Mexico in half a day. The US military is far more competent than Russsia. But holding it is another matter.
There would be insurgents for decades and you are absolutely right that it would spill over into the domestic United States. I would be an absolute disaster.
The US military is far more competent than Russsia.
But it will not remain so. A dictatorship needs a pyramid of incompetence, the most competent person in the military needs to be Trump, he will hire only less competetnt people, and it cascades from there. The Russians are incompetent not because they are worse as people, but because their society is organised the way Trump wants to remake the US as.
Just to mention, just a few months after taking command, two US Navy fighter jets were lost as they slid off a carrier deck as per the official account, which I expect to be as accurate as the Russian accounts of smoking soldiers blowing up ammo dumps. The real thing is going to be much more embarassing if this is what they admit to.
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If the US invades Mexico it’ll overrun it within a day, no doubt. However, look at Afghanistan, Iraq. Look at how the US got beat every time. Now remember what cartels do with their enemies and imagine how many soldiers hanging from bridges it would take for the US to call it quits. Remember how many cartel soldiers there already are in the US. What do you think the Latino community will do once the US army starts the eventual murder of innocent Mexican citizens…
The US invading México will end Mexico, it will also end the US
the US invading -anyone- who isn’t already seen as an enemy of the nation by the PEOPLE of the nation, will trigger an actual shooting civil war.
and by that I mean, there aren’t very many countries that the majority of American people truly see as an enemy, so thats basically Russia, Iran, North Korea, to some extent China. and a bunch of countries from the middle east , central america and southeast asia who have varying histories of things vaguely “islamist, terrorist, or communist”
Mexico, and Literal Allies like Canada and other NATO countries, are not on that list. starting a war with someone not on that list, will be a signal to everyone in America who isn’t a brown nosing collaborator, that their own government is rogue and has to be toppled.
I would agree if I hadn’t seen already so much complacency. People just don’t give a shit and act like the frog in the slowly heating up pan. I’d hope you’re right but I am not so sure
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And the US would still lose, because that is what the US does best.
Yeah, it can invade the shit out of everywhere, but it never has been able to keep what it invaded. As soon as the dead bodies start coming back, politicians start screaming.
México can’t stop the US from invading, of course, but guerilla warfare? Bring it on. US soldiers will be hanging from bridges and videos will be posted everywhere, it will be ugly. It will be the same as in Afghanistan, and they didn’t have a lack of tech there, there weren’t any logistics issues as the US simply has the best logistics of any army in the world.
Then there is the fact that the US has enormous Latino communities which will start pushing back at the least, fighting back more likely. This van lest to an uprising in their own country.
Invading México will destroy Mexico, but it will also tear the US to oieces
Don’t forget: one side’s soldiers present a far larger target area…
“betcha they won’t see me, Sarge”
So if the cartels are operating in Mexico and the United States, and Trump’s executive order doesn’t involve using the military on Mexican territory, I guess it must be to use the military on American territory?
Yeah—now military deployments anywhere in America can be excused as part of anti-cartel actions, until they aren’t.
Mexico military is too weak and corrupt, they would loose 1 vs 1 against the US military. The US can easily annex some districts in northern Mexico to form a buffer zone against the Cartels.
The US could invade any country on Earth easily. Put up a big “Mission Accomplished” banner and all that.
The occupation that follows an invasion? That’s something the US isn’t all that good at. The US couldn’t hold Afghanistan. But with Afghanistan Americans could run home with their tail between their legs.
What your plan for withdrawing from a war on the North American continent?
no withdrawing! keep moving forward, always
