I’ve tried coding and every one I’ve tried fails unless really, really basic small functions like what you learn as a newbie compared to say 4o mini that can spit out more sensible stuff that works.

I’ve tried explanations and they just regurgitate sentences that can be irrelevant, wrong, or get stuck in a loop.

So. what can I actually use a small LLM for? Which ones? I ask because I have an old laptop and the GPU can’t really handle anything above 4B in a timely manner. 8B is about 1 t/s!

  • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    43·
    18 hours ago

    If I say my name is Doo doo head, in a public park, and someone happens to overhear it - they can do with that information whatever they want. Same thing. If you wanna spew your personal life on Twitch, there are bots that listen to all of the channels everywhere on twitch. They aren’t violating any laws, or Twitch TOS. So, *buzzer* WRONG.

    Right now, the same thing is being done to you on Lemmy. And Reddit. And Facebook. And everywhere else.

    Look at a bot called “FrostyTools” for Twitch. Reads Twitch chat, Uses an AI to provide summaries of chat every 30 minutes or so. If that’s not violating TOS, then neither am I. And thousands upon thousands of people use FrostyTools.

    I have the consent of the streamer, I have the consent of Twitch (through their developer API), and upon using Twitch, you give the right to them to collect, distribute, and use that data at their whim.

    • aksdb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      15 hours ago

      So, buzzer WRONG.

      Quite arrogant after you just constructed a faulty comparison.

      If I say my name is Doo doo head, in a public park, and someone happens to overhear it - they can do with that information whatever they want. Same thing.

      That’s absolutely not the same thing. Overhearing something that is in the background is fundamentally different from actively recording everything going on in a public space. You film yourself or some performance in a park and someone happens to be in the background? No problem. You build a system to identify everyone in the park and collect recordings of their conversations? Absolutely a problem, depending on the jurisdiction. The intent of the recording(s) and the reasonable expectations of the people recorded are factored in in many jurisdictions, and being in public doesn’t automatically entail consent to being recorded.

      See for example https://www.freedomforum.org/recording-in-public/

      (And just to clarify: I am not arguing against your explanation of Twitch’s TOS, only against the bad comparison you brought.)

      • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        5 hours ago

        You’re both getting side-tracked by this discussion of recording. The recording is likely legal in most places.

        It’s the processing of that unstructured data to extract and store personal information that is problematic. At that point you go from simply recording a conversation of which you are a part, to processing and storing people’s personal data without their knowledge, consent, or expectation.

        • aksdb@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          True.

          Although in Germany for example it can also be an issue when recording. If you have a security camera pointed at a public space (that can include the sidewalk infront of your house), passersby can sue you to take it down and potentially get you fined. Even pretending to constantly record such an area can yield that result.

      • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        6 hours ago

        You build a system to identify everyone in the park and collect recordings of their conversations? Absolutely a problem, depending on the jurisdiction.

        Literally not. The police use this right now to record your location and time seen using license plates all over the nation - with private corporations providing the service.

        and being in public doesn’t automatically entail consent to being recorded.

        And yes, it’s called ‘expectation to the right of privacy’. Public venues are not ‘private’ locations, and thus do not need consent. You can, quite literally, record anyone in public.

        Even the link you provided agrees.

    • catty@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      2·
      14 hours ago

      Doesn’t Twitch own all data that is written and their TOS will state something like you can’t store data yourself locally.

      • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        6 hours ago

        I’m not storing their data. I’m feeding it to an LLM which infers things and storing that data.

          • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            42 minutes ago

            There’s not actually that much code. It’s like 8 lines for an AI ‘agent’, and maybe another 16 lines for ‘tools’, and I’m using Streamlink for grabbing the audio stream, and pulseaudio has a ‘monitor’ device you can use to listen to what’s playing on the speakers. Throw it on a very minimal linux distro on a VM, and that’s it.

            I don’t do ‘vibe coding’, but that IS where I got the idea from. People who are doing ‘vibe coding’ nowadays aren’t just plugging things into a generic AI, they’re spinning up ‘agents’ and making tools via MCP and then those agents are tasked with specific things, and use the tools to directly write to files, search the internet, read documents, etc