Brett Wilkins Jun 16, 2025

Flight-tracking websites showed dozens of Air Force aerial refueling planes departing from military bases in the United States and heading to Europe on Sunday, fueling speculation of direct U.S. involvement in the widening Israeli-Iranian war.

Military-focused news sites reported that around 30 U.S. Air Force KC-135R and KC-46A tankers were identified by flight-tracking software in what The Times of Israelcalled an “unprecedented mass deployment” to Europe.

  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    You’d be surprised. There are quite a few on lemmy that still do the both sides are the same. Oddly trying to do anything to form a new progressive is also something they don’t seem interested in either.

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      16 hours ago

      Biden ran on getting back into the deal with Iran, then insisted that Iran must completely return to fulfilling their side of the deal before we would consider returning to ours.

      Both sides are not the same but Biden shouldn’t be let off the hook for his sudden flip on this issue.

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        Both sides are the same because Biden said something that suggested he might be hard on Iran (definitely couldn’t be a negotiating tactic)?

        Yes I know how you ended your comment, I was replying to the rest of it.

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          (definitely couldn’t be a negotiating tactic)?

          No, it definitely wasn’t a “negotiation tactic”. It was meant to avoid negotiating without Biden’s adoring masses noticing that he did a 180. He caved to AIPAC, as he would continue to do throughout his term.

          Why the hell would Iran go back to fulfilling it’s obligations under the agreement when the US was still ignoring it’s obligations? Why would it bother negotiating with a country that doesn’t honor negotiated agreements? Everyone in the foreign policy space knew exactly what it was.

          Yes I know how you ended your comment,

          Then why the fuck did you haul out “both sides”? Why are so many people desperate to throw everything into that frame?

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        16 hours ago

        Its one thing to be unhappy with the democrats. Its another (and self defeating) to not want to expand the progressive wing inside of it (or to form a new party and go for local elections) and to not stall alt right republicans everywhere else.

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          15 hours ago

          Absolutely, I just don’t think it actually helps Democrats in the long run to pave over their often deep flaws. If we were harder on Democrats 30 years ago, we probably wouldn’t have Trump today.

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            6 hours ago

            Nobody is paving over anything, you just cannot help yourself but shit on them theoretical shit that Biden didn’t even fucking do yet.

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              6 hours ago

              Biden didn’t even fucking do yet.

              Yet? I’m not sure how to argue with someone who thinks Biden is still president. It doesn’t seem worthwhile.

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        16 hours ago

        Oddly trying to do anything to form a new progressive is also something they don’t seem interested in either.

        Its okay to not like liberals, but that part of my original comment is important.

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            15 hours ago

            Same, but

            A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

            We still need to get the ball rolling. The institutions and networks we need will take a lot of time to build. I know a lot of our fellow lefties don’t want to interact with anything government, but doing so with the goals of harm reduction gives us space to lay the roots and set up the next generation for success. If we are serious about things we need follow ups for our protests and making the best efforts we can in our sub-ideal situations.

            • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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              15 hours ago

              I would rather build a real, actual house for people than a system of oppression built on violence.

              And before you say “habitat for humanity Jimmy Carter “ it’s the same catty bureaucracy I’ve found everywhere.

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                I would rather build a real, actual house for people than a system of oppression built on violence.

                And that does not happen overnight, if you don’t follow up protests, and some voting.

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                  15 hours ago

                  Bitch I’ve been voting for a quarter fucking century.

                  I protested the fucking Iraq war II and it still fucking happened.

                  Keep telling me this bullshit actually works like I’m some fucking eighteen year old.

                  Democracy is broken