I’m gradually removing myself from big tech and this month I’m focusing on leaving GitHub, as well as software hosted there. I’m looking for a self-hosted music server that meets these criteria:
- Simple UI - Easy to navigate
- Docker support - For hassle-free deployment
- Runs on Pi3B
- Compatible clients on mobile and desktop
- Robust and well maintained - No buggy releases
Current Option:
The only option I’ve found but not tried is Funkwhale (GitLab).
Site: https://www.funkwhale.audio/
Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBcKNoJAso.
GitHub-hosted exclusions:
All the other’s I’ve looked at are hosted on GitHub ( Ampache, LMS Lightweight Music Server, Supysonic, Gonic, Airsonic-Advanced, Koel, Jellyfin, Navidrome). So I won’t be using those.
Question:
Does anyone know of other options besides Funkwhale, or have you tried Funkwhale? Thanks!
Aside:
Some reasons I’m leaving GitHub:
I don’t see a reason to avoid using software hosted on GH. I moved off GH when MS bought it, and all that entailed was no longer hosting my own software on GH, and using alternative FOSS git forges. That still has a similar effect, and when a critical mass of devs move off GH, the rest will follow suit. The main draw of GH is that everything’s on there; when that’s no longer true, it will no longer be the main git forge. Especially once Forgejo adds ActivityPub integration; I imagine that’ll speed the process along a lot.
A lone user boycotting all software hosted on GH is realistically not going to make any devs move their projects off GH. You may say that it doesn’t have to be a lone user, but I think you’ll be hard pressed to get a whole movement of people refusing to use any software hosted on GH.
I also think the boundaries of your boycott are just too ambiguous. What if you download the software from somewhere other than GH, and it just has a GH repo? Is that ok with you? Is it that you just don’t want to touch MS’s servers? What about software where the GH repo is just a read-only mirror, and the main collaboration/development happens elsewhere, like a GitLab or Forgejo instance? I would rather struggle to see an argument for refusing to use software in either of those cases.
Even using their free stuff is supporting Microsoft. As long as they provide sophisticated facilities for genocide, I’m out.
As a wiser person than me once said “be the change you want to see in the world”.
I’m also opposed to “using [Microsoft’s] free stuff”; I’m arguing that using software that happens to use GH isn’t using MS’s stuff at all.
h, I see what you mean now. The thing is, the massive numbers of users we collectively provide to Microsoft (even non-paying) is a huge benefit to them. They wouldn’t offer free stuff otherwise. It gives them all kinds of leverage in negotiations. I’ve elaborated a bit more on it in another reply in case you’re interested.
No, I’m not arguing that we should be users of Microsoft. You’re still not understanding what I’m saying. I don’t use Microsoft’s services, including their free ones. Software that happens to be hosted on GitHub is not Microsoft’s software.
You can do whatever you want as an individual. But as a political actor, you should be participating in organised boycotts, such as BDS’s boycott of Microsoft. BDS’s boycott is already fairly wide-sweeping, going as far as to ask people to e.g. stop playing Minecraft and Skyrim, even if they already own the game. Avoiding using Microsoft’s products like this is effective because, even if you’ve already bought the game, you lend Microsoft more cultural capital by proliferating their products.
BDS has not, on the other hand, called for a boycott of all software that happens to have a GitHub repo. If you think they should do that, take it up with BDS. If BDS called for such a boycott, it would get much more momentum behind it.
As it currently stands, you are boycotting all software that has a GitHub repo on your own. This is not going to have any effect. You are going to be hard-pressed to get people to join your boycott. What kernel do you use? The Linux kernel has a GitHub mirror. The majority of FOSS projects where collaboration occurs off of GitHub still have a read-only GitHub mirror. Is your boycott suggesting that everybody should be using OpenBSD? That’s going to be a very hard sell.
BDS has achieved huge victories because it offers targeted boycotts that the average consumer is perfectly capable of doing, and it has a mass movement behind it. There are also grassroots boycotts that have been organised outside of BDS, such as the Starbucks and McDonald’s boycotts, but again, these caught on because they had the backing of people active in the movement and were willing to organise said boycotts. You’re a random Lemmy user who, if you are serious about organising a boycott, you’re in the entirely wrong place to do so. You won’t achieve anything doing what you’re currently doing.
You’re welcome to make whatever consumer decisions you want, but don’t confuse that for political organising.
Okay. I think we agree on more than we disagree.I also appreciate your input on effective strategy on serious issues like this - I 100% agree. I think you’ve misinterpreted me a little, so let me clarify:
- I support BDS actively. Organised movements are vital.
- As I’ve said in the comments: perfect is the enemy of the good. I will drop as many projects as I can. Media players, web browsers, mail clients, social platforms - can all be changed for more ethical alternatives. It doesn’t have to be black or white.
- I will never wait for any individual or group to give me the go ahead to do what I think is the right thing. BDS isn’t perfect.
- I am not selling anything, or trying to temper my actions to be more palatable to the more hesitant . It also turns out that I’m far from alone in this, but I was equally happy to go first. I don’t think that it’s a waste of effort at all.
So, yes, strategy is important. But personal efforts count too. Among other things, I am challenging the widely held apathy (and empathy deficit) held by tech enthusiasts that such a move is pointless or too difficult. And along the way I am finding likeminded people I didn’t know were out there.
I think you’re still avoiding the point:
I will never wait for any individual or group to give me the go ahead to do what I think is the right thing. BDS isn’t perfect.
The point isn’t that you have to follow the BNC specifically. The point is that announcing you’re not using any software hosted on GH, on a small social media platform, is far from organising a boycott. If you are serious about organising a boycott, that is what you do in the movement, with the masses. As it currently stands, you are simply making a personal consumer decision.
Personally, I don’t think it’ll be possible for this to become a mass boycott (which it needs to in order to have effect), just because you’re going to struggle to explain to everyone what GitHub even is let alone how to boycott any software that’s hosted on it. That’s why the demand to boycott GitHub ie not host your own software on there is far easier; that only applies to people who make software, who do know what GitHub is and understand how to not use it. If you don’t know what GitHub is then you’re already boycotting it. Meanwhile, your version of the boycott requires teaching people what git is, what a git repo is, and what a git forge is, and then giving them a very long list of software that they need to boycott in order to join you. For the reasons that BDS explains in terms of their tactic of targeted boycotts, that’s not going to work, because in practice very few people will boycott the full list of software and everyone will boycott a few GitHub repos and those repos will be different for each person.
At the end of the day, boycotting is a political strategy to force change through. It’s not about showing how moral you are. If you can’t get a critical mass of people with you, your consumer decision is as impactful as your decision of what shirt to wear today.
I will drop as many projects as I can. Media players, web browsers, mail clients, social platforms - can all be changed for more ethical alternatives. It doesn’t have to be black or white.
That’s still avoiding the real problem of defining strict boundaries for your boycott. It is still entirely unclear to me how I could join you even if I wanted to. What are you proposing we boycott? I adhere to BDS, who have given pretty unambiguous guidelines on how to boycott. Even their Microsoft boycott accounts for “do as much as you can”; they acknowledge that some people will be forced to use MS products, and encourage people to move away from them unless they have no choice. That’s understandable enough and the average person knows exactly how to join that boycott if they want to.
Like I said, if you’re serious about this, you need to go somewhere other than Lemmy. And if you’re not serious about this, then stop pretending you’re making a political decision, and accept that you are just making a personal consumer preference.
I have been on this search myself a few months now and JUST stumbled upon something that fits the bill.
Like, i literally just found it and haven’t played with it or investigated too much, but it fits your requirements.
raphson music server is hosted on codeberg now! they left github last year.
it has a great looking interface, integrates with HA, uses subsonic API.
I am greatly interested in learning more about this.!!
Ah, thank you for this! I see in their latest issues that they might even create a demo server. I appreciate you !
no sweat. i am on this very hunt myself and understand the apprehension about relying on stuff that is solely hosted on the hub. granted i am no expert, but it just seems to speak to my FOSS soul to try and stick with FOSS through the whole stack if possible.
in the meantime i am enjoying gonic as the server and mopidy with subidy as the player.
it’s not perfect yet but I’m very close.
still on the search though!
I appreciate the recommendations! I’m working on a list of alternatives. I might upload it to Codeberg or somewhere similar once it gets to a decent size.
Funkwhale is OK, use it here but served via Yunohost cos I is lazy
Thanks for the recommendation. I appreciate it!
Jellyfin
Why does it matter that they are hosted on GitHub though?Clarifying, your looking for a new music streaming service that has a code base not hosted in GitHub? Otherwise it sounds like you are somehow hosting your music in GitHub.
Good to see I was not the only one who thought that.
Correct. I don’t host my music on GitHub. I’m looking to dispense of software that’s involved with it. I’ll try to clarify my post, thank you.!
This is honestly dumb. If you hate github then actively downloading from it and eating their bandwidth is helping your mission of killing them.
Where a project is hosted is irrelevant because if the platform shits itself one can simply just do
git add remote someserverand push the whole project over to some new code hosting site.You refusing to download from github is quite simply stupid.
What a shit take calling people dumb for trying to boycott a big tech platform. Having your project primarily on GH including issue tracking etc is in github’s best interest as being “the” code platform. If MS wouldn’t think they benefit from it, they wouldn’t host it for free.
Hosting platform is also not the battle I’m choosing but come on.
Not suggesting an app but I think what you plan to do as an effort to boycott GitHub is the most non-productive thing to do…
What if it is a project like OpenBSD, which the active repo is still CVS, but has a read-only GitHub repo for public consumption? I believe a fair amount of open source developers rely partly or even totally on donation, and the popularity of a platform has direct impact to their life support. What you are going to do is the easiest as a totally unrelated onlooker - you deem them to be immoral because they host or mirror the project on GitHub, you judged just like how people do on social media when they hear some company doing evil things, spent probably just a few minutes to write a post and created direct impact.
There are many more better things to do. You know why they are forced to host on GitHub so why don’t you set up a fund that supports developers to not host on GitHub, or as a maintainer who helps projects to mirror on GitHub alternatives and eventually swtich the active repo to the alternatives?
I have great respect to open source developers who bring us a better world. Please think again what is the difference between what you are going to do vs people who ignore all the heavylifting of open source developers did and say “add this feature in the next hour or I will stop using your software, because I think it is the most important thing to do”…
I don’t know if you read the articles I linked or not, but there is a stark lack of empathy in replies like this: full of self interest, void of humanity.
Devs are free to choose other platforms. They don’t face death or famine for doing so. Oppressed people cannot choose their oppressors. If genocide isn’t a red line for you then you have no red lines.
But why are you asking here though? Considering Lemmy is developed on github?
I’ll be looking into Lemmy alternatives too.
Piefed is on codeberg, it’s compatible with lemmy.
Oh, that’s great! Thank you. I also discovered Tildes.net which is hosted on GitHub for now, and I see Codeberg being discussed in a thread there.
I respect your strong ethics and sticking to them, but saying they people support genocide for using software hosted on GitHub is an extreme position.
I could easily change this: Do you drive a car or fly a plane? Then you must have no red lines against climate change.
And I appreciate the respectful response. “Support” means “contributes to” when I use it. My car does contribute to climate change. The thing is, GitHub is a choice. For some people, driving isn’t a choice due to lack of public transport and distance to work. However if I use my car when there is plentiful public services (but I just like to hear my music at full volume in my car), then that is a choice.
So if I’m driving when I have better options, then my actions do support climate change, and I do so knowingly.
