• John Richard@lemmy.world
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      Hamas caused Israel to kill innocent civilians and blow up ambulances and hospitals? Isn’t that like an abuser saying… “Look what you made me do!”?

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        Hamas knew that Israel will retaliate, they placed their military activities specifically into civilian places to either prevent their opponent to fight back while they are killing them and if they fight back they have to get through Hamas’ meat shields. Palestinian knows it (you can find interviews before Oct.7th with Palestinian in Gaza agreeing with the idea) you know it, Israel knows.

        Israel also knows that they have limited amount of time to eliminated as much of Hamas as possible before international community turns against them. They play with time and balance on edge.

        It sucks, it’s sad and should have never happened. But it’s in no way black and white situation.

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          French resistance during the second world war knew the Nazis would retaliate; they still operated and hid within the civilian population. There are former towns in France where only crumbling stone, abandoned cars, and a plaque to the dead remains, a vow to never rebuild and never forget. Everyone was killed and their homes burned in reprisal for maquis activity.

          Are you saying the French women and children murdered by Nazis are the fault of the French partisans? Is this a grey moral area for you?

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          If an attack is emanate from a group of terrorists and you are certain to save countless lives, but one or two innocent people are collateral damage, then I think we can understand that it isn’t black and white. Heck, in those scenarios not only do those innocent people die, but you then pay a few million to their families for their losses.

          When you instead are leveling a city, blowing up ambulances and hospitals and you literally have one of the most advanced air defense systems in the world on your side, and you’re killing close to over tens of thousands of innocent people to save a hundred or even two hundred, then it is black and white.

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            It’s not as simple as you put it. e.g. Look up what Gaza people had to say about Hamas placing rockets in these spots before Oct the 7 . Also where do you get confidence of the data reported by terrorist controlled government are reliable?

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        Isn’t that like an abuser saying… “Look what you made me do!”?

        After the abuse victim stabbed his mother, that is

        Two wrongs don’t make a right, but Hamas is certainly not innocent, unlike all the people they are deliberately putting in harm’s way

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          If someone stabs your mum you don’t have an excuse to kill innocent people. The person that stabbed your mom put your mom in harms way and no one else. If you kill innocent people as a result that is your fault and no one elses.