Maybe don’t put a group of human beings in a situation where they’re constantly passing out then? Especially if they’re children, it’s wild that that’s the comparison you use. The issue here isn’t JUST that they’re expected to do nothing when comrades are in trouble (yes, even with trained help there), but it’s ALSO that people like you excuse it because it’s “the norm.” Like sure, yippee, they have trained help for when they pass out, but apparently they’re EXPECTED to pass out? Ok
By that logic we should close all roads because we EXPECT automobile crashes to happen, we should cease all construction and industry because we EXPECT accidents to happen, we should ban all sports because we EXPECT injuries to happen, etc.
I’m chiming in as someone who actually fainted during a choir practice. Our teacher cautioned us at least five different times not to lock our legs for that exact reason, but in the moment I wasn’t thinking, and I locked my legs. It happened only one time, and I was the only kid who fainted in the entire four years I sang in that choir. But oh, how inhumane of our school for hosting a choir recital (gasp!). It sure was evil of them to put us in a situation with a normal level of risk while trained first aid personnel were present.
I think maybe you’re just severely overestimating how much it happens. The other person used the word “commonly,” but you used the word “constantly,” and that is not the same thing at all. We have to prepare for the most common mishaps because there are inherent risks in everything we do. But I assure you, if people were constantly passing out in parades and choir recitals, we would stop having them.
Locking your knees causes more blood to pool in the lower extremities so less of it reaches the brain. It normally takes at least several continuous minutes of standing with your knees locked like this to faint. It sometimes happens when singing in a choir, or standing in formation, because
a) you have to stand in the same position for extended periods of time,
b) your body is consuming oxygen faster because of singing, a warm uniform, and/or hot weather, and
c) you may be so focused on your task that you disregard your discomfort and don’t even realize you’re locking your knees or feeling faint.
When I fainted in choir rehearsal, I think I was only unconscious for a couple seconds. I fell forward on my hands and knees and came to my senses at the choir director’s feet. I felt really flushed and clammy at the same time, almost feverish, and it took a few more seconds after I regained consciousness for my vision to clear. Basically as soon as I was horizontal and normal blood flow resumed, I started to recover immediately. But if heat stroke or other factors are involved, that might not be the case. I don’t envy that soldier being carried on a stretcher in that picture; I don’t know what kind of environmental factors or underlying conditions may have been involved.
What use is for “soldiers” (they seem more like exhibition pieces…) standing around for someone who just happened to be born in the right family, and now has all the wealth they could ever need and a thousand times more?
A road facilitates transport, what good is wasting money for a monarch?
Monarchy defenders perplex me, how can your tongue be so deep in someone’s boot
Oh, I’m not defending the monarchy at all. They can absolutely go to hell. There is a big leap between “the monarchy is fundamentally evil” and “standard military parade practices around the world are unsafe,” and then to “we shouldn’t let children perform in choirs because they’re constantly fainting.” I latched on to that latter piece because it’s so ridiculous.
These military proceedings for monarchies are completely unnecessary, and can VERY EASILY be done in a way that doesn’t put people in danger. It’s not about that though, it’s about a show of force, showing your army that you own that you can command to do whatever you want, including standing to the point of fainting, and that’s supposed to be something to be proud of?
That situation is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from any of the NECESSARY examples you listed. Examples that already have safety precautions in place that are reviewed and updated regularly based on current situations
If a bunch of men marching about in big hats, bright red tunics, decades old guns, as well as swords and on horses is what we do as a “show of force”, then we’re cooked if a war happens 💀
I don’t know the details of the military demonstrations, but singing in a choir as a kid in front of hundreds of parents is exactly the kind of scary thing with no actual danger that can really help kids grow and conquer fears.
They’re not expected to. But it happens. If you have concerts, people usually pass out. That’s why you have trained medical staff on standby, no matter the event. It’s just that the military has an organised way of doing it… Because it’s the military.
Are these people ACTUALLY their military though, or just for show? I always thought they were just for show but I don’t actually know. Not that it makes a huge difference, just curious
Maybe don’t put a group of human beings in a situation where they’re constantly passing out then? Especially if they’re children, it’s wild that that’s the comparison you use. The issue here isn’t JUST that they’re expected to do nothing when comrades are in trouble (yes, even with trained help there), but it’s ALSO that people like you excuse it because it’s “the norm.” Like sure, yippee, they have trained help for when they pass out, but apparently they’re EXPECTED to pass out? Ok
By that logic we should close all roads because we EXPECT automobile crashes to happen, we should cease all construction and industry because we EXPECT accidents to happen, we should ban all sports because we EXPECT injuries to happen, etc.
I’m chiming in as someone who actually fainted during a choir practice. Our teacher cautioned us at least five different times not to lock our legs for that exact reason, but in the moment I wasn’t thinking, and I locked my legs. It happened only one time, and I was the only kid who fainted in the entire four years I sang in that choir. But oh, how inhumane of our school for hosting a choir recital (gasp!). It sure was evil of them to put us in a situation with a normal level of risk while trained first aid personnel were present.
I think maybe you’re just severely overestimating how much it happens. The other person used the word “commonly,” but you used the word “constantly,” and that is not the same thing at all. We have to prepare for the most common mishaps because there are inherent risks in everything we do. But I assure you, if people were constantly passing out in parades and choir recitals, we would stop having them.
Why the heck is locking your knees making you faint? How’s that work?
Locking your knees causes more blood to pool in the lower extremities so less of it reaches the brain. It normally takes at least several continuous minutes of standing with your knees locked like this to faint. It sometimes happens when singing in a choir, or standing in formation, because
a) you have to stand in the same position for extended periods of time,
b) your body is consuming oxygen faster because of singing, a warm uniform, and/or hot weather, and
c) you may be so focused on your task that you disregard your discomfort and don’t even realize you’re locking your knees or feeling faint.
When I fainted in choir rehearsal, I think I was only unconscious for a couple seconds. I fell forward on my hands and knees and came to my senses at the choir director’s feet. I felt really flushed and clammy at the same time, almost feverish, and it took a few more seconds after I regained consciousness for my vision to clear. Basically as soon as I was horizontal and normal blood flow resumed, I started to recover immediately. But if heat stroke or other factors are involved, that might not be the case. I don’t envy that soldier being carried on a stretcher in that picture; I don’t know what kind of environmental factors or underlying conditions may have been involved.
What use is for “soldiers” (they seem more like exhibition pieces…) standing around for someone who just happened to be born in the right family, and now has all the wealth they could ever need and a thousand times more?
A road facilitates transport, what good is wasting money for a monarch?
Monarchy defenders perplex me, how can your tongue be so deep in someone’s boot
Oh, I’m not defending the monarchy at all. They can absolutely go to hell. There is a big leap between “the monarchy is fundamentally evil” and “standard military parade practices around the world are unsafe,” and then to “we shouldn’t let children perform in choirs because they’re constantly fainting.” I latched on to that latter piece because it’s so ridiculous.
Extremely valid and important argument against car infrastructure presented as a clownish slippery slope
what other options works for moving one(s) of people hundreds of miles?
Trains and buses.
those seem much better at moving hundreds to tens of people at a time and most don’t even have storage for large luggage
This is an example of the slippery slope fallacy. Logic would not take you down that line of thinking.
Slippery slope isn’t a fallacy. It’s a widely observed pattern.
It can be both
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
These military proceedings for monarchies are completely unnecessary, and can VERY EASILY be done in a way that doesn’t put people in danger. It’s not about that though, it’s about a show of force, showing your army that you own that you can command to do whatever you want, including standing to the point of fainting, and that’s supposed to be something to be proud of?
That situation is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from any of the NECESSARY examples you listed. Examples that already have safety precautions in place that are reviewed and updated regularly based on current situations
So, yes, this is an example of the fallacy
If a bunch of men marching about in big hats, bright red tunics, decades old guns, as well as swords and on horses is what we do as a “show of force”, then we’re cooked if a war happens 💀
I don’t know the details of the military demonstrations, but singing in a choir as a kid in front of hundreds of parents is exactly the kind of scary thing with no actual danger that can really help kids grow and conquer fears.
They’re not expected to. But it happens. If you have concerts, people usually pass out. That’s why you have trained medical staff on standby, no matter the event. It’s just that the military has an organised way of doing it… Because it’s the military.
Are these people ACTUALLY their military though, or just for show? I always thought they were just for show but I don’t actually know. Not that it makes a huge difference, just curious
They do put on public displays, but they’re actual soldiers in the army. Their primary duty is as a guard.
They’re actual soldiers.