• whiwake@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    Before anyone says that the truck should not have been doing that, ask yourself… Could ICE have just backed up and waited for something to happen that could justify opening fire?

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      2 days ago

      October 23, 1983, two truck bombs killed 307, US/French servicemembers and civilians in Beirut.

      Also was Coast Guard who opened fire, not ICE.

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        16 hours ago

        You could say that about anything.

        “we had to shoot the minivan because in Iraq these have had bombs in them.”

        “we had to shoot that kid, because he may have had a bomb in his backpack.”

        “sure, that lady just had to die. She may have had a gun. Who could have known it was just a remote control?”

        The reality is that the people shooting are helping kidnappers, Nazi’s, and generally evil people. Of course they aren’t going to show patience or civility towards civilians. That’s not why the president has injected them into that situation.

        They are military, and they are there to wage war on Americans.

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          Except it’s the gate of the military base and there are procedures with dealing with these things. I get it. I don’t think you should just shoot anything, but there is a line. This was the entry to the base, to the bridge that gets you on the base. The bridge itself is sensitive, and obviously the base is. This wasn’t like cops unloading on a dude trying to get away because he’s got warrants out. I just feel like the potential for negative results was much higher.

          And these were CG security, if my understanding is correct. This wasn’t Trump’s hit squad, these were the dudes who have been guarding the entry point to the base for as long as the base has been there. It’s literally their job, guard the entry.

          I appreciate all your hypotheticals, but this real life situation is someone attempting to force entry onto a US military installation. That’s the real situation, and this is how that sort of behavior is dealt with across the globe.

          I’m mad about ICE too, I’m just not sure what they have to do with this situation, other than the protest being nearby. I’m not sure how the base security are helping kidnappers and being Nazis, unless your beef is with the military. Shit, I’ll even say it’s okay to have some beef against the military and how they’ve been used, but the Coast Guard? I can’t think of any reason to hate on the Coast Guard.

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          It happened to a US military base in a foreign nation, which, for all intents and purposes, is US soil. This truck was backing it’s way onto a US base, refused to comply with orders. It got EOF’d. I appreciate everyone wanting to hate ICE, I think they’re a bunch of bitches, but unless someone’s has some legit proof this is some sort of false flag or anything, this is pretty SOP.

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            1 day ago

            If bitches is the most extreme you think they are, it doesn’t surprise me you’re simping for them

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      It’s possible they thought the truck was full of explosives, and was trying to blow up the bridge to the Coast Guard island.

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        Sure, still not an excuse.

        “It’s possible that black man had a gun in his pocket so I just decided to shoot him”