And he is now saying, I am going to acclimate the American public to the use of military force anywhere I deem it. Appropriate under any circumstances, and I may well, the president may be thinking, I may well have us in a war by the time the elections roll around, which will enable me to say any opposition to me and my party is basically treason and unpatriotic.

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    I think they mean full-on attacks instead of just national guard police action. Small distinction, I know.

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      Sure. He means live fire, urban combat, and a descent into outright revolution. But they want to act like the frog isn’t in the pot already.

      I wonder how the red states are going to survive when they can’t get anything into or out of the ports.

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          True. But I doubt it will be state vs state. That’s not where the loyalties are. It will be urban vs rural.

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            Not when the Blue state governments use their inherent wealth to provide for their rural constituents, because we all need to eat, while rural areas of red states wither and die, transforming into vast tracts of corporate owned agribusiness

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              It just fully hit that New England is more than likely to wind up being the last holdout of the independent, family owned farm. The region with the worst soil, terrible growing season, and heaviest industrialization, will likely remain the last place where independent farms try to scratch enough out of the dirt to feed their neighbors and turn a meager profit. Because it’s a labor of love. Nobody farms up here for the money, because there basically isn’t any. But there is generational wealth built into the land and it’s ability to provide enough. And a healthy dose of Yankee “fuck you this is my land” attitude against selling out to big business.

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                There’s always the option of antitrust as well. The government could, if it had a backbone, bust up corporate land aggregates. But very heartening to hear that take about New England, something I hadn’t considered. I know livestock are big out there so had assumed most land was either grazing or feed farming.

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                  I would consider livestock less than half, maybe even a third of the farming effort up here. Vermont does the dairy thing but that’s about it. It’s generally very mixed, some livestock, but mostly agriculture.

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        Depends on if there would be enough Generals and Admirals who sided with blue states.

        But red states would repeat the mistakes of the confederacy and rely on Southern ports, and the rest of the US would once again blockade the Gulf and destroy their supply lines.

        Only difference now is red states can get supplies via air.

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          That’s true. And air freight is much more limited in its capacity too so it’s usually only considered for critical goods.

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            Good point, plus any sufficient naval blockade would also have some AA capabilities, at least for the Gulf. So they would have to be creative about getting supplies that way