Regardless of all other considerations, Israel should be removed given the highly suspicious voting that got Israel to first place. In the public vote and second place overall. Israel’s song was mediocre and barely registered during the contest, got mediocre scores from the professional judges, and it was not a commercial success before or after the contest, and yet somehow it won the popular vote.
If Israel had won it would have done permanent damage to the Eirovision song contest as there is strong suspicion the vote was rigged. People can vote up to 20 times so it is feasible to manipulate the vote at relatively low cost if focused in a few countries.
While I agree with removing Israel, purely political voting is nothing new for the ESC. Ukraine winning in 2022 wasn’t because of the song either.
Political voting is not new but the votes Israel got were weird. Spain is very critical of Israel. They had a massive protest right before or after ESC, and then somehow the popular vote gave Israel 12 points? Spain is the only one I remember from the top of my head but there were something like 4-5 countries in a similar scenario, where the people don’t like Israel but somehow end up giving either 12 or 10 points to Isreal.
This happening with one country could be viewed as just a coincidence but when the same thing happens to multiple countries?
It doesn’t need a majority of people supporting Israel, just enough people who feel strongly about the topic. Even in countries where a majority of people are against Israel, millions do still support them and they may feel even stronger about it if their government is against them.
Supporters of Israel had a way to express their support on the ESC, while supporters of Palestine didn’t, as Palestine didn’t participate in the contest. So you only got political votes from one side of the conflict, while the remaining votes were spread out over any of the other countries. No conspiracy needed, although I will admit it’s possible.
And in your opinion how much of the population percentage-wise would be “enough people who feel strongly about the topic” for Israel to get the most points?
I couldn’t tell you an exact number but I’d say that taking these polls, the 12% who say Israel was justified in everything they did would well be enough.
And with 12% every voter would’ve had to vote at least twice with a portion needing to vote at least thrice for Israel to get first place. Do you think all of them are so devoted they’d all vote multiple times? The Spanish broadcast didn’t think so which is why they asked for a full breakdown and they weren’t given that.
And with 12% every voter would’ve had to vote at least twice with a portion needing to vote at least thrice for Israel to get first place.
Only if there were an even proportion of ESC-voters across Spain’s population, which I see no reason to assume. People with a political motive are more motivated to vote than everyone else who might not have cared for any of the songs and thus not voted at all.
An austrian dude supporting fascim and genocide. Seems familiar…
Hey now, it’s not just Austria. Germany’s chancellor made the same statement
Did he also fail to get admitted to an art school?
No but his Pinterest boards never get the recognition they deserve
He was more than good enough for the Eurovision.
An Austrian leader, even…
Israel must fuck off, regardless of any consequences
They’re not even in Europe, kicking them out shouldn’t be controversial normally, let alone when they’ve been committing genocide and are breaking ceasefires.
This is a classic comment for this discussion. The eurovision is not a contest among european countries. It is a contest among the members of the EBU.
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Australia is a regular participant, the Caucasian countries are also regular entrants and may or may not be in Europe depending on where you draw the border, Morocco is a previous entrant, all of North Africa is eligible to enter but chooses not to, and Lebanon and Jordan have invites too. We should kick Israel out for the real reason of its actions in Gaza and the rest of Palestine, not over silly attempts at technicalities
To become a member of the EBU, a public broadcaster must either be:
- based in a country in this area, defined by the International Telecommunications Union:
- be a member of the Council of Europe
Why should Israel be excluded based on its geographical position alone when every country bordering the Mediterrenean is eligble.
People like to bash on Israel here, but you’re totally correct. It’s actually kind of sad to see that people do not understand the concept that an organisation with “European” in its name might also be open to countries from outside of continental Europe.
- based in a country in this area, defined by the International Telecommunications Union:
Wth are you talking about…
Just don’t do anything with those fuckers. Don’t let them participate, stop buying their shit (yesterday I saw israeli grapefruit in a shop). Same as you wouldn’t do any business with the other, old time nazis.
Austrian leader
Haha, I see what you did there, dpa!
One beneficial way to avoid controversy and raise IQ levels across Europe would be to cancel Eurovision altogether.
Let people enjoy things?
How dare people have fun, amirite folks?
You’re advocating for canceling the most mainstream and biggest queer friendly event in Europe?
It can be both queer friendly and pure brainrot at the same time, these are not mutually exclusive.
Just because you don’t like the music, doesn’t make it brain rot.
You say brainrot like it’s something bad.
They often go hand in hand one might say.
Oh shit if it’s queer friendly it’s obviously good!
Although that is not likelly, I think that something along those lines may be the approach they chose to solve this. Find a way to have Israel excluded, but not directly say it is because of the war and genocide.
Yes, wouldn’t want to make people upset. About genocide. And purposely killing children.
