You can see me as braindead, as a troll, as engaging in “double speak”, as being condescending, as being ignorant, and so forth.

Sure can, and thus far you arent beating the charges. Also kinda funny you decided to purposefully twist words there to portray my criticisms of your argument as insults against you. Typical bad faith behaviour. Troll is accurate though, because I don’t believe you even believe what you are arguing.

this conversation has quickly devolved into shit-slinging

You having incoherent responses and this accurately being pointed out doesnt give you a license to pretend that this is errant shit slinging as opposed to you being unable to come up with cogent backing for your stated opinions.

It seems like you are in an incredibly bad headspace - maybe I’m off-base, but I’m not looking down on you by pointing this out and asking you to consider untangling yourself from narratives strung by our media.

The obvious projection here is incredible. I’m supposedly shit slinging while you pretend that not buying your insane opinions with no reasoning to them must mean I am clueless. Most obvious bad faith participation there has ever been.

focusing on the likelihood of a civil war or mass violence perpetrated by MAGA.

You focused on the first rather than the latter because the latter is pretty obviously a likely occurrence. You’ve indicated multiple times in the previous comment you can’t even deny that ICE ramping up isnt disastrous.

There are already plenty of people calling these secret police on their neighbors.

You’re just playing with semantics if you continue to pretend this isnt a real concern.

We are both just as aware of what’s going on as the other one, but I’m attempting to have a cooler head about it.

No. You are attempting to downplay the seriousness of the situation because it makes you feel comfortable or you support it. Not sure which one, but neither is a good faith or objective view.

I live in an area that is overwhelmingly occupied by MAGA voters and I’m not seeing the overflowing hate and violence here as an openly gay person.

The ol “If I don’t see it, it doesnt exist” after the “As a [minority] things are fine”. Your demographic literally is not one of the ones currently on the chopping block yet, but you can clearly see them ramping up for that too with the supreme court rumoured to be looking at what constitutes marriage next. You’re up right after interracial marriage.

More than that, as a white man, who passes social norms, you wouldn’t be seeing this as someone who clearly does not know many if any marginalized people given your responses here.

Further, given that its a very vanishingly small amount of high density areas that are not blue, it likely means you aren’t living where the troubles are happening. Somehow this makes you believe they wont spread.

Trump wouldn’t have been able to run for the highest office in the country and assume office if they did do something concrete.

This isn’t a point that is being debated. Its just something you’ve thrown up as if its at all relevant to the current discussion of whether future violence is likely.

A large portion of these 77 million people are Christians, likely.

The Nazis also ran with a tuned version of Christianity. This is literally not a point of worth in any respect. The fact they have choosen a religion to band around politically is actually a huge red flag.

I’m attempting to point out here are over 250 million people who are not radicalized.

By lying through omission, which I pointed out, and which you still have not addressed in any capacity whatsoever.

Being propagandized is not exactly the same thing as being hateful.

Propaganda is the mechanism, hate is the outcome. You arent making a point here.

Christians are indeed manipulated into hate, but would quickly be shown the light if people assuaged their fears.

No, no they would not. The democratic party tried to do that. They went with racism instead.

That is, unless you mean somehow minorities need to prove to the hateful that they deserve life, which would be an absurd take.

Most Democrats are not as squeaky clean as we are led to believe. Our last president was a Zionist who committed a genocide, even Kamala wrestled with that reality - as detailed in her book.

Literally no one is arguing that they are squeaky clean. Not a single person doesnt advocate for them as the significantly less evil of 2 evils.

This is reality.

This point right here to me is the think that has really stuck out. This makes me think you are a closeted conservative. That you are currently pretending to have liberal/leftist viewpoints, because not a single democrat I have ever talked to has ever believed this, and no one would even believe someone would honestly feel the need to make such an argument given that no one believes it.

Everybody would benefit from calming down.

This is the same ol rhetoric of “meet in the middle” where non maga takes one step forward, and maga takes 2 steps back, and then says “meet in the middle” again.

People have mostly wizened up to this nonsense. There is no “calm” middle ground between fascism and not fascism.

but rather just calm down and stop seeing violence as inevitable.

“Hey people just ignore reality because if you point out the obvious heading, that means you support it!” - Your logic right now.

Given the point above with me being convinced you aren’t honest with your views, Im sure youll have some long reply, but I doubt its in good faith, and I don’t think anyone is reading down this far, so it probably won’t be worth spending this much time on responding to.

I would say I hope you become a better person, but anyone willing to be this deceitful isnt the type of person who even internally believes that they are doing what is right.