You can’t spend most of your time in more than one country. I think multiple citizenship is absurd and being a citizen of a country you’re never in is even weirder.
If you want to live in a country longterm, you should be a citizen there. Vice versa, if you don’t live in a country long-term, you shouldn’t.
And I say this as someone who was birth-loopholed into three citizenships. It’s frankly absurd that I can vote in countries I visit maybe every other year.
Wait, is this really the whole story? I know a couple of US ”expat” citizens living here in Europe (having dual citizenships) and they can still remote vote in their US home-state
I don’t know how expat works with state and local elections, but federal elections should still be allowed because as longer as you are a citizen, you are still affected by the laws and taxes are still due every year.
People do that here. They go from New York to Florida every year. But they only get to vote for a governor, senators, representatives etc. of one of those states.
So what of someone moves to a new state every 2 months, lives in short term rentals and ever up in 6 states/countries. Is there a limit?
That’s just not really related. Billionaires aren’t a reason to disenfranchise tax paying workers. They’re also a tiny group of people and they don’t consider their influence in light of a single vote, but in the power of money.
It’s a question of what’s local. For the nationalist, your City is local. My position is that for a United body like the EU, the state I live and work in is local.
Right and the state you spend the most time in should be the one you are able to vote in. That’s what I was saying the US actually does correctly (though they are constantly trying to take that right away from students in many red states).
I love both countries. One I’m in primarily for work. I’ll never give up the citizenship of my birth country, visit at least twice a year, and will return there to retire.
So while I do love my work country, and am raising my son here, we can never participate in the national electoral process, even though we’ll be here for 20+ years.
It’s about empowering workers. We have the freedom to live and work across the EU. They will happily tax me based on residence, but I’m not represented at the national level, which does affect me as long as I live here.
I can’t even get citizenship in my new EU country without giving up my original country EU citizenship.
That’s something I really hate and think should end.
EU countries citizens should always be able to hold each other’s citizenships.
I could not agree less.
You can’t spend most of your time in more than one country. I think multiple citizenship is absurd and being a citizen of a country you’re never in is even weirder.
If you want to live in a country longterm, you should be a citizen there. Vice versa, if you don’t live in a country long-term, you shouldn’t.
And I say this as someone who was birth-loopholed into three citizenships. It’s frankly absurd that I can vote in countries I visit maybe every other year.
It seems like this is one of the few things the EU should adopt from the US.
We have US citizenship, but state issued birth certificate, and our (super flawed) social security numbers are state based too.
But residency determines which state elections we vote in and that’s defined as where you get your mail and spend the most time.
You only get one primary residence and that’s where you’re allowed to vote.
Wait, is this really the whole story? I know a couple of US ”expat” citizens living here in Europe (having dual citizenships) and they can still remote vote in their US home-state
I don’t know how expat works with state and local elections, but federal elections should still be allowed because as longer as you are a citizen, you are still affected by the laws and taxes are still due every year.
I’m sorry you can’t conceive of being intimately connected to more than one place at a time.
Primary residence is a thing. It’s where you spend the most time in a year and therefore where the local politics will affect you the most.
Otherwise you can get billionaires going to dozens of countries to vote.
And if I switch from summer residence to winter residence every 6 months? I change my nationality every 6 months?
I live in one country but work in another? Different policies like worker right’s and residential policies affect me.
People do that here. They go from New York to Florida every year. But they only get to vote for a governor, senators, representatives etc. of one of those states.
So what of someone moves to a new state every 2 months, lives in short term rentals and ever up in 6 states/countries. Is there a limit?
That’s just not really related. Billionaires aren’t a reason to disenfranchise tax paying workers. They’re also a tiny group of people and they don’t consider their influence in light of a single vote, but in the power of money.
It’s a question of what’s local. For the nationalist, your City is local. My position is that for a United body like the EU, the state I live and work in is local.
Right and the state you spend the most time in should be the one you are able to vote in. That’s what I was saying the US actually does correctly (though they are constantly trying to take that right away from students in many red states).
I’d be fine with getting their citizenship, but it shouldn’t automatically remove the citizenship of my home country.
People can and do have interests and investments in multiple EU countries, even if you do not.
The mobility of our workers is a strength.
Why?
Not trying to be an ass, just curious about your reasoning
I love both countries. One I’m in primarily for work. I’ll never give up the citizenship of my birth country, visit at least twice a year, and will return there to retire.
So while I do love my work country, and am raising my son here, we can never participate in the national electoral process, even though we’ll be here for 20+ years.
It’s about empowering workers. We have the freedom to live and work across the EU. They will happily tax me based on residence, but I’m not represented at the national level, which does affect me as long as I live here.
It’s not a balanced system for the populace.