Counterpoint, killing yourself is letting the system win and you can find ways to not only make your life better, but also everyone else’s by staying here.
I’ve long ruled that I cannot play or win by competition but collaboration. I, for one, believed my parents and teachers and ministers when they suggested we were trying to live in a society rather than a circus of gladiators massacring each other to the delight of elites.
There’s a cute bit in the John Scalzi short story Morning Announcements at the Lucas Interspecies School for Troubled Youth in which the announcer (not the principal) expresses well wishes to, and high hopes for those students soon to be graduating, but noting one species who will, after graduation, be bussed to the downtown stadium to begin mating challenges that will leave nine out of ten of you dead… That’s us. That’s what we do. Jobs are fought over by dozens of qualified applicants, each of whom face hunger, the elements and law enforcement if they lose. We’re playing musical chairs like it’s a Squid Game.
I refuse to live in a society where, in order for my success and comfort, a dozen others must suffer and fail. I’m not, to paraphrase Vonnegut, a tin solder some rich kid got for Christmas. What greater glory is there in being a disposable, interchangeable, replaceable part in some billionaire’s vanity project over choosing my own fate? If anything, the mess my corpse might leave on some state building’s marble floor could serve to express that no, the system cannot continue as it does.
As it is, I do have reason to live to see tomorrow. There are people who care about me, who would grieve and suffer if I were to vanish. There are people who depend on me for emotional and practical support when I can’t be there financially.
But we all do live in precarity. There are crises being managed in every ring of this circus. And for 80% of the US, this is normal and accepted.
It’s is going to be an It’s A Wonderful Life Christmas for my household and family in 2023; either things miraculously come together if luck comes and meets our efforts half-way, but we may find ourselves like a trapeze acrobat plummeting through the air unsure if there’s a partner to catch us on the other side.
Whether I am caught safely or plummet without a net, the rest of the world will see it as all part of the show.
Yeah, you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying dude. Everything you just said is plainly obvious to anyone with eyes. I’m saying that killing yourself and “competing” within the system are the same thing, letting the system win. And you have a third option, which you describe as “collaborating with others” (pretty accurate I might add), by which the system can be defeated. But if you kill yourself or assume the system is infallible, you are complicit in allowing the system to continue to fester and make everyone else miserable.
The working class has always had the power to end this when acting as a collective, but hyperindividualism and decades of propaganda have convinced people that it is impossible. People like you, who could’ve truly made a difference but ultimately chose to suffer in silence believing it was what was best for their family. Even those who are aware enough to recognize these problems still are crushed under the weight of the sheer number of problems to solve. This is by design, it makes it more intimidating to overcome and prevents anyone from even attempting. Yet the system will crumble on its own sooner or later, it’s already an unstable system built on the impossible dream of infinite expansion. We need only exploit this dream to accelerate the destruction of the system, and as a side effect, the liberation of the oppressed.
Yeah, I’m not keen to blame the degradation of either labor power or the communal ethic on the working class when we have actual accounts of organized efforts of the ownership class conspiring to change US culture into the property-is-sacred crap that it is today.
Nor am I going to think of the system as some anthropomorphic opponent who is besting me at sports. The system certainly isn’t winning, what with establishment resorting to fascism in order to preserve the current power structures, and meanwhile the species is driving a global extinction event which puts even itself at high risk within the next few centuries.
In the States, every year over 40,000 men and women kill themselves successfully, that is, they die as a result, and we track that it wasn’t accidental or homicide. Another 120,000 in the US try and fail but end up in the hospital, or being caught in time. None of these people care about whether the system wins or loses. They care that their own misery stops. And the US and state governments care about as much as 4Chan edgelords that we off ourselves at a higher rate than Japan (though to be fair, Japan is actively seeking to change centuries of culture that regards suicide as acceptable).
Mutualist organization takes time, and it’s not going to do anything for people in need today. If not letting the system win works to keep you alive to see tomorrow, that’s great. But it’s not an argument for why to go on living when our resources have run out and we’re now exposed to the elements.
I’m not arguing that the people are to blame, obviously it is malicious intent on the part of the system. But the system alone is not strong enough to cause such a change, the people had to be willing and responsive to the treatment. Ignoring personal wrongdoing in favor of wholly blaming the greater evil, while justifiable, is not conducive to actually improving your own view of yourself. Nor is it realistic to view the world from such a black and white lens. The nuance is often lost on most people, and yet the nuance is where everything important lies.
I’ve been suicidal since the age of 10 years old, believe me everything you say is not news to me. The governments are part of the system that subjugates us, obviously they wouldn’t give a fuck about us killing ourselves. And the system is designed to destroy, so the fact that it’s bringing about our destruction shouldn’t be considered a failure of the system. It’s working as intended. For the same reason every election is a farce, you shouldn’t just be overwhelmed and give up. You should feel angered and empowered by your sense of self, your understanding of humanity’s precarious position, and surround yourself with people who think like you.
That’s the first step to “mutualist organization”. Which, obviously, takes time. Just like it took time for those in power to build this system in the first place. They felt it worthwhile to build a system capable of subjugating the world and compelling its subjects to suicide. But you don’t feel it worthwhile to resist and destroy that system. You just give up and say it’s not worth the effort.
Counterpoint, killing yourself is letting the system win and you can find ways to not only make your life better, but also everyone else’s by staying here.
I’ve long ruled that I cannot play or win by competition but collaboration. I, for one, believed my parents and teachers and ministers when they suggested we were trying to live in a society rather than a circus of gladiators massacring each other to the delight of elites.
There’s a cute bit in the John Scalzi short story Morning Announcements at the Lucas Interspecies School for Troubled Youth in which the announcer (not the principal) expresses well wishes to, and high hopes for those students soon to be graduating, but noting one species who will, after graduation, be bussed to the downtown stadium to begin mating challenges that will leave nine out of ten of you dead… That’s us. That’s what we do. Jobs are fought over by dozens of qualified applicants, each of whom face hunger, the elements and law enforcement if they lose. We’re playing musical chairs like it’s a Squid Game.
I refuse to live in a society where, in order for my success and comfort, a dozen others must suffer and fail. I’m not, to paraphrase Vonnegut, a tin solder some rich kid got for Christmas. What greater glory is there in being a disposable, interchangeable, replaceable part in some billionaire’s vanity project over choosing my own fate? If anything, the mess my corpse might leave on some state building’s marble floor could serve to express that no, the system cannot continue as it does.
As it is, I do have reason to live to see tomorrow. There are people who care about me, who would grieve and suffer if I were to vanish. There are people who depend on me for emotional and practical support when I can’t be there financially.
But we all do live in precarity. There are crises being managed in every ring of this circus. And for 80% of the US, this is normal and accepted.
It’s is going to be an It’s A Wonderful Life Christmas for my household and family in 2023; either things miraculously come together if luck comes and meets our efforts half-way, but we may find ourselves like a trapeze acrobat plummeting through the air unsure if there’s a partner to catch us on the other side.
Whether I am caught safely or plummet without a net, the rest of the world will see it as all part of the show.
Yeah, you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying dude. Everything you just said is plainly obvious to anyone with eyes. I’m saying that killing yourself and “competing” within the system are the same thing, letting the system win. And you have a third option, which you describe as “collaborating with others” (pretty accurate I might add), by which the system can be defeated. But if you kill yourself or assume the system is infallible, you are complicit in allowing the system to continue to fester and make everyone else miserable.
The working class has always had the power to end this when acting as a collective, but hyperindividualism and decades of propaganda have convinced people that it is impossible. People like you, who could’ve truly made a difference but ultimately chose to suffer in silence believing it was what was best for their family. Even those who are aware enough to recognize these problems still are crushed under the weight of the sheer number of problems to solve. This is by design, it makes it more intimidating to overcome and prevents anyone from even attempting. Yet the system will crumble on its own sooner or later, it’s already an unstable system built on the impossible dream of infinite expansion. We need only exploit this dream to accelerate the destruction of the system, and as a side effect, the liberation of the oppressed.
Yeah, I’m not keen to blame the degradation of either labor power or the communal ethic on the working class when we have actual accounts of organized efforts of the ownership class conspiring to change US culture into the property-is-sacred crap that it is today.
Nor am I going to think of the system as some anthropomorphic opponent who is besting me at sports. The system certainly isn’t winning, what with establishment resorting to fascism in order to preserve the current power structures, and meanwhile the species is driving a global extinction event which puts even itself at high risk within the next few centuries.
In the States, every year over 40,000 men and women kill themselves successfully, that is, they die as a result, and we track that it wasn’t accidental or homicide. Another 120,000 in the US try and fail but end up in the hospital, or being caught in time. None of these people care about whether the system wins or loses. They care that their own misery stops. And the US and state governments care about as much as 4Chan edgelords that we off ourselves at a higher rate than Japan (though to be fair, Japan is actively seeking to change centuries of culture that regards suicide as acceptable).
Mutualist organization takes time, and it’s not going to do anything for people in need today. If not letting the system win works to keep you alive to see tomorrow, that’s great. But it’s not an argument for why to go on living when our resources have run out and we’re now exposed to the elements.
I’m not arguing that the people are to blame, obviously it is malicious intent on the part of the system. But the system alone is not strong enough to cause such a change, the people had to be willing and responsive to the treatment. Ignoring personal wrongdoing in favor of wholly blaming the greater evil, while justifiable, is not conducive to actually improving your own view of yourself. Nor is it realistic to view the world from such a black and white lens. The nuance is often lost on most people, and yet the nuance is where everything important lies.
I’ve been suicidal since the age of 10 years old, believe me everything you say is not news to me. The governments are part of the system that subjugates us, obviously they wouldn’t give a fuck about us killing ourselves. And the system is designed to destroy, so the fact that it’s bringing about our destruction shouldn’t be considered a failure of the system. It’s working as intended. For the same reason every election is a farce, you shouldn’t just be overwhelmed and give up. You should feel angered and empowered by your sense of self, your understanding of humanity’s precarious position, and surround yourself with people who think like you.
That’s the first step to “mutualist organization”. Which, obviously, takes time. Just like it took time for those in power to build this system in the first place. They felt it worthwhile to build a system capable of subjugating the world and compelling its subjects to suicide. But you don’t feel it worthwhile to resist and destroy that system. You just give up and say it’s not worth the effort.