• セリャスト@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    5 months ago

    This is such a terrible take. You can have difficulty accessibility options in difficult games (eg. Celeste, Furi) and it doesnt make the game worse. This is just gatekeeping bs

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      5 months ago

      Honestly how is this gatekeeping? That word gets slinged around a lot and it using it here seems like it diminishes the real situations where the word is useful. So they’re limiting access to the game from people who what? It’s hard for everyone, they’re not being selective about the difficulty somehow.

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        5 months ago

        Honestly how is this gatekeeping?

        “Gatekeeping: the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something.”

        The lack of difficulty sliders make the game inaccessible to people who have no ability or desire for the unforgiving experience, nor any ability/desire to “Git Gud Scrubs”. It’s intentionally left out to exclude those people. That makes it “gatekeeping” by the definition for the word.

        This is substantiated by the fact that a mode to make the game easier and a mode to make the game harder are in the top 10 downloaded mods for Elden Ring. If you leave out the loaders and modutils, those same mods are top-5. This is basically unheard of in most games.

        You can argue that you approve of this gatekeeping, but it’s silly to die on the “it’s not really gatekeeping” hill.

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          5 months ago

          If you don’t like spicy food. Don’t buy spicy food. They’re not gatekeeping food from you. You have other options.

          If you don’t want to “git gud”. You can use summoned spirits. NPCs, other players. There already is a difficulty slider. It’s one you set for yourself.

          You always have the option to come back when you’re stronger. The boss is not going anywhere.

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            5 months ago

            Spicy food does have a difficulty slider. It’s pretty difficult to find a curry in Australia that’s not so full of cream it’s basically a fruit salad.

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              5 months ago

              And so does Elden Ring. Your inability to find it is not unlike you inability to find a spicy curry.

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            5 months ago

            If you don’t like spicy food. Don’t buy spicy food

            I don’t know about you, but every spicy restaurant I know has a little “difficulty slider” where you get to ask them not to pour a gallon of ghost pepper into it. It’s about making the customer happy.

            If you don’t want to “git gud”. You can use summoned spirits. NPCs, other players

            Or I can fucking mod the piece of shit and complain about it on forums because it’s fucking stupid. But I want BURN Bloodborne because I can’t mod it.

            There already is a difficulty slider. It’s one you set for yourself.

            Yeah. I’m getting really good at archery. Think I’ll cut my eye out. Natural difficulty slider

            Why is it every time I express a valid criticism about an otherwise story-heavy game with a stupid difficulty-related gimmic the cringe-posse comes out and tries to convince me the game is perfect and no human being would find my opinion valid. Like seriously what I tell my little nieces and nephews, if you don’t have anything nice to say, move along.

            In other news, I DO respect the Viva La Dirt League reference.

            • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
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              5 months ago

              You have so many options to make it easier.

              You can summon spirit ashes. You can level your character to become stronger. You can summon NPCs and player for boss fights.

              I don’t like those options. So I don’t do that. I make it harder on myself, by forgoing those options, I want the challenge of doing it alone.

              But if YOU want to make it easier, and slide the difficulty down. And summon ashes or npcs or other players, You can do that. You have that option.

              You bought a game that you knew would be full of “difficult” bosses, from a company that has never had an official “difficulty slider” on any of their games in this genre. And now you sit and complain about there not being an official “difficulty slider”.

              Do you also go to a vegan restaurant and complain they’re not inclusive because you can’t order meat?

              • abraxas@sh.itjust.works
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                You have so many options to make it easier.

                Like the third-party Easy Mode mod.

                You bought a game that you knew would be full of “difficult” bosses

                I bought a game that I knew had a working Easy Mode mod. I would not have bought it if it hadn’t. Because the designers are assholes, but assholes who can write a decent story.

                And now you sit and complain about there not being an official “difficulty slider”.

                Yes, I do. And you sit and complain about another human being having an opinion despite the fact you could just NOT complain about other human beings having an opinion. Funny how people “sit and” do things.

                Do you also go to a vegan restaurant and complain they’re not inclusive because you can’t order meat?

                No, but that’s not an apple-to-apple comparison, making that a False Analogy fallacy. For two reasons. First, whether I agree with it or not, veganism is an ethical position and they’re refusing to serve any meat on the menu because they think it’s morally wrong to. Do you think Fromsoft thinks they’re “going to hell” if they put in a difficulty slider? Second, vegan restaurants are ABOUT veganism. There’s no reason to choose to eat at a vegan restaurant unless you or someone in your party is looking to have a meal without meat in it for some reason. There’s plenty of reasons to play Fromsoft games but at lower difficulty. Most people don’t like Bloodborne or Elden Ring “because it’s difficult/unforgiving”. They like it because of the story. Anyone who would opt out of playing those games because someone else could play them on easier has serious issues.

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                  5 months ago

                  It is a great apple to apple comparison. What you did was walk in, get upset that the vegan restaurant only served vegan food. So you came back with your own home-cooked meal to sit down and eat.

                  The reason you don’t like it is because it highlights just how ridiculous you are in your complaint.

                  They made a piece of art. You chose to buy it knowing what it was. Git gud