cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17199847
@Snowden
The DNC is the only reason you’re not currently enjoying a second-term Sanders and a sane Supreme Court.
Everything would be perfect! And we would all be happy!
Parallel universe horseshit is really enlightened and helpful!
Gore v Bush would like a word. We gotta stop “electing” Republicans cause then some wild shit happens to America.
If Gore had not been blocked from the presidency by Jeb Bush’s Florida (with its’ goddamned hanging chads in the ballot) and the right wing Supreme Court purposely dragging its’ feet then saying “there is no time”:
- The threat of hijacking airplanes would have been taken seriously.
- Iraq would NOT have been invaded, 9/11 or no 9/11.
- The Kyoto Protocol (greenhouse emissions treaty) would have been honored instead of dumped, which is what baby bush did.
- The Army Corp Of Engineers would have had resources for dike maintenance in New Orleans leading up to Hurricane Katrina, instead of going on pointless errands in Iraq.
These are but a few of the major sliding door points, there are MANY others.
Yet lazy, stubbornly ignorant narcissistic idiots still insisted and to this day insist that bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe.These non-voters see their blood-soaked hands and sigh in contentment at their mediocre idea of purity.
Gore lost the election for a lot of reasons and Florida was certainly the most important, but honestly it’s the electoral college. No one wants a far right president but they don’t have a choice because 10% of the electorate has completely overtaken the Republican party and it’s just MAGA now.
The Electoral College is the root of a fuckton of problems.
If you can become president without winning the popular vote, it’s a big fucking problem.
It gives a disproportionate weight to small states, where their vote is worth more than bigger states.
There’s definitely issues with the EC, but you’re bringing up a feature not a bug.
The executive branch wasn’t supposed to be an extension of the legislative. The office of the president wasn’t supposed to be a “super duper senator”. The blame for where we’re at is entirely in a defunct congress. With a presidential office that is genuinely executing, not the forefront of, legislation, the checks and balances in congress start to make a lot more sense.
And regardless of the way it’s supposed to be, we’ve got to work with what we’ve got, I get that. But the US is huge and wildly different. I’m not particularly rural, but took a friend of mine born and raised in NYC out to a friends cabin once. Offered to give em a ride on the ATV. They were excited, I grabbed my jacket, and came out to them sitting on the ride-on lawnmower, all ready to go. To flip it around, I have very little business giving an opinion on what minimum wage in a major metro should be (although after a recent visit to sanfran my guess is about $1,000/hr…).
My point being, an over correction the EC will 1) see a ton of opposition that makes it unfeasible, and 2) ultimately be fairly destructive. The challenges in different parts of this country are worlds apart, and we do a TERRIBLE job understanding one another, mostly by design because it helps reelection. Threatening the EC without a replacement that takes the concerns of otherwise under-represented folks into consideration will feed into this partisan crap more that it has already, entrench identity politics further, and just accelerate things.
I have no solution for this.
To those who disagree here are some articles from 2016
https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/politics/superdelegates-hillary-clinton-nomination/index.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2016/07/25/dnc-betrayed-bernie-sanders-and-the-rest-of-america/
DNC gets caught committing fraud in their own primary
“No obviously it’s because not enough people voted for Bernie in the primary”
mmm yes I wonder why that is
Bernie was winning until the DNC called in the media assasination and started cooking numbers.
Remember when Chris Matthews lost his fucking mind and started claiming that a sanders presidency would mean executions in Central Park.
It is so frustrating sometimes talking about the history I lived through with people on this site. They will straight faced tell you how “no one beat Biden in the primaries this year” or “sanders has his chance to win but lost”
One candidate has the backing of the DNC and the corporate media which hammers nonstop about how voting for sanders is voting for socialist death squads and he is unelectable. I’m sure that had no impact on the voters though. Billy and Bonnie msnbc watcher probably saw that clip and fully understood the complex nuances of who owns msnbc, what their motivations are, and could understand why one of the 4 media conglomerates might be a bit concerned about their profit machine getting disrupted. They certainly wouldn’t take 24/7 coverage about how unelectable and dangerous he is to heart.
…and the last minute rule changes in Nevada
Acknowledged. We circled the wagons around the wrong candidate twice in a row. Hillary Clinton was a well qualified candidate with likeability issues. Biden is a long time politician with equally good if not better qualifications than Clinton, he’s just old. Bernie is older. Bernie aligns a hell of a lot closer to my beliefs than the other candidates out there. Bernie isn’t in this race and has endorsed Biden, he’s a wise man and usually is right on most topics. I’m going with Bernie on this one, vote Biden and start building the next generation of leaders, maybe that next leader is you.
Both Hillary and Biden are closer to the country as a whole and more likely to pull moderates, who you need to win if you want to actually win a national election.
The internet has allowed leftists to delude themselves into thinking the only people that need to be appealed to is them.
They fundamentally do not understand the kinds of people that make up this country. I’d love if we were a left leaning population. We aren’t. Continually lying to ourselves about why Bernie didn’t win is a type of paralyzing ignorance that only looks more and more absurd as the years go on.
It’s messianic thinking for people who think they’re smarter than most Christians.
We know. Doesn’t matter until we have ranked choice or the like. Only one side gives us even a glimmer of a chance at that, so we have one choice.
