What are the reasons for this? I’m out of the france loop
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If you cant handle a democratic election not going your way, maybe you dont belong in politics.
And maybe you shouldve curbed immigration instead of making it a wedge issue, and only having the far right party be for curbing it. Just a thought
Whipping up fear about brown immigrants is what the right does when there is no wedge issue.
Or the everyone is just ignoring the issue.
Rhetorically because this conversation is going to go nowhere. What would need to happen for immigration to actually be an issue?
Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.
A lot of people, usually the rich that own businesses and land and can make money off immigration, say it’s not a problem. I think rather than choosing a side and ignoring the issues people should wonder what would be a bad outcome then looking at things after.
The rich making money off immigration isn’t an issue with the immigrants, it’s that we don’t force companies to pay all their workers the same wage, regardless of status. That’s a regulatory problem, not an immigration problem.
Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.
None of this is related to immigration. Immigrants aren’t raising housing prices. With crime you have to actually prove that that’s immigrants committing more crimes than Europeans and what kind of crime. They call brown immigrants criminals and rapists here too, and it’s simply not true, they commit crimes at the same rate as citizens.
You have to understand that this is a pattern we see over, and over throughout history; when fascists want to seize control they blame immigrants for all of socieyies woes. And they do so only with rhetoric or twisted facts, not the truth.
Pretty easy to do after 9/11, Nice, Vienna(2021), Dresden(2021), the list goes on. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe
When multiple groups have declared Jihad against the west, a little more caution should be exercised.
Remember, immigrating is not a right.
Yeah, I know all about that, they use the " brown immigrants are terrorists" in my country too in order to exploit people’s latent racism.
To have a point you’d have to compare those instances to violence by Europeans against eachother, by being selective you’re feeding a narrative that brown immigrants are more violent than Europeans. That’s already been demonstrated to be false. You’re being manipulated by fascists.
Alright, name the 122 terrorist attacks made by Europeans since 2015. Ill wait.
So, even if we assume those 122 attacks were committed by immigrants, how does that compare to violent crimes committed by Europeans themselves? 122 incidents over 9 years is remarkably low for a single demographic. How many bad actors is that per event? How many immigrants are there total and how many committed these crimes?
It’s racist fear mongering.
I said terrorist attacks, not violent crimes. Dont move the goal posts
No ones moving goal posts. Give a ballpark of how many immigrants were involved in those 122 attacks.
You’re making the argument that brown immigrants are more dangerous than Europeans and you’re then trying to exclude all types of violent crime except that labeled terror attacks to obfuscate the reality that immigrants are statistically no more dangerous than Europeans themselves. It’s dishonest.
Even in terms of terrorism, the majority has historically been committed by domestic groups (ex. nationalists, political extremists, separatists etc.), not immigrants. Again, this is very similar to my own country where domestic terrorism is actually the greater threat than that from immigrants.
According to the BBC
Alongside policies for giving French citizens “national preference” for jobs and housing, they want to cut VAT on energy and allow under-30s to escape income tax.
existing promises on immigration, crime and insecurity as well as tax cuts to tackle the cost-of-living crisis.
plans to abolish droit du sol, the right to automatic French citizenship for children born to foreign parents
Sounds like some good policies no wonder they are getting loads of votes. The reduction in taxes always comes back to bite you and that’s probably a mistake but the lower tax for the youth allowing them to get started in life instead of being in debt is a great idea. I haven’t heard anyone have such a progressive idea.
Where do you target your fear mongering if you don’t share a border with scary brown people? Where do you build a wall?
It’s called a Maginot Line and you build it on the German border
None of that is good.
I think helping everyday working class people is a good thing. That’s what they want.
Sure if you want to help businesses fuck the common people. Keep wages low and prices high and keep the upper class rich.
Most people don’t think like that though.
I think helping everyday working class people is a good thing
Just cut taxes bro. Just one more time dawg. I promise it’ll work this time, dude. Just one more tax cut. One more time bro I promise. It’s going to stimulate the economy homey. This time we swear.
There is a big difference between tax cuts in general and tax cuts on the poorest people in society.
But I agree. Tax cuts across the board are a bad thing usually but I can see why people vote for that. People feel they need more money and it’s not coming from wage increase.
tax cuts on the poorest people in society
Are functionally no different than higher wages. But without public infrastructure - housing, education, health care, etc - what does an extra couple grand actually buy?
We’ve seen this in the US for decades. A pittance of tax cuts pitched as a percentage of income is presented as this enormous boon. But then wages stagnate, prices skyrocket, and debts soar in the face of new privatization.
And then we’re worse of than when we started.
The tax cut doesn’t buy anything in an inflationary economy
Yes so we agree. Wages need to be increased and the best way to do that is to stop businesses undercutting wages by hiring cheap foreign labour. Demand for labour goes up and with it wages.
Inflation is largely a global issue.
Wages need to be increased and the best way to do that is to stop businesses undercutting wages by hiring cheap foreign labour.
Urban density increases the efficiency of public services. Wage rates do not.
Trying to keep populations small and fragmented does nothing to improve domestic quality of life. And rising domestic populations don’t hurt overall household incomes. Cartelized labor markets are what do that.
Inflation is largely a global issue.
Prices vary enormously by local regions. And price gouging is increasingly difficult over large distances.
Inflation is most commonly a consequence of local commodity monopolization, not global price trends.
Ah yes, right-wing authoritarianism that helped cause mass immigration from regional instability thanks to ignoring climate change and sowing global conflicts… Let’s just give the fox the keys to the henhouse.
It’s foxes all the way down. Just a question whether Russians or Americans get their slice.
