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Arthur Besse@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 9 months ago

The Right-Wing Campaign to Purge Women From Women’s Sports

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The Right-Wing Campaign to Purge Women From Women’s Sports

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Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is the latest Olympic athlete deemed insufficiently female by extremists obsessed with the strictest of gender binaries.
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    The right is ruining women sports… No wonder the left is so disconnected from reality with this astral plane traversing level of projection.

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      smuglord

      You didn’t even address the argument on Imane Khalef, ye sack of shite

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        What argument? Most of the article says “Everyone who disagrees with me is a far right gender fascist and also for some reason racist and I’m right because science (I didn’t care to link to) says so, trust me bro.”

        The only half viable arguments provided (and I’m really reaching here) can be easily debunked.

        She was assigned female at birth.

        Sex is assigned at birth based on external characteristics aka primary reproductive organs, you can’t tell someone has internal testes, xy chromosomes or abnormally high testosterone levels just by looking at them.

        She is eligible according to the Olympic rules.

        The Olympic rules that were changed recently by removing the requirements for testosterone level within a certain range, the same reason why she was deemed illegible to compete by International Boxing Association just a year earlier, who is way more qualified to set fair and safe boxing rules then the International Olympic Committee by their own admission (PDF warning). Clearly we can’t say that it’s 100% fair and safe for her opponents.

        She has lost before

        I’m a guy and I’m 99% sure I would loose to a pro female boxer in the same weight class, because I have 0 training or experience, but I’m also 99% sure I would do way better than a girl with 0 training or experience. Loosing doesn’t mean you don’t have an unfair advantage.

        Even using the lefts’ own logic, if sex is a spectrum and she as someone who’s intersex is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, isn’t it unfair and unsafe for either her or her rivals to fight each other when they’re so far apart on the thing that’s so detrimental to defining ones’ physical capabilities?

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          countdown

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          I ain’t reading all that go back to reddit dweeb.

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          jagoff

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          Sex is assigned at birth based on external characteristics aka primary reproductive organs, you can’t tell someone has internal testes, xy chromosomes or abnormally high testosterone levels just by looking at them.

          Yuh, I suppose that much… but if you want, ye can do the examinations yourself… maybe show me your balls, cabron

          The Olympic rules that were changed recently by removing the requirements for testosterone level within a certain range, the same reason why she was deemed illegible to compete by International Boxing Association just a year earlier

          Hmm, and why is that?

          Testosterone Levels: Previously, transgender women had to demonstrate lower testosterone levels for 12 months before competing. The revised requirement no longer considers relying solely on testosterone levels to be sufficient.

          There seems to be other factors to consider, than just testosterone, man

          Besides, um, the IBA didn’t even test for testosterone (still, if they at least make the results public, I’d understand them)

          In a statement this week, the IBA said the women did not “undergo a testosterone examination” but “a separate and recognized test.” The statement added that the test and results are “confidential.”

          On the next argument

          who is way more qualified to set fair and safe boxing rules then the International Olympic Committee by their own admission (PDF warning). Clearly we can’t say that it’s 100% fair and safe for her opponents.

          Oh, don’t make laugh

          Fed up by a history of judging and bribery scandals involving the IBA even before Kremlev was first elected as the organization’s president in 2020, the IOC took control of Olympic boxing at the Tokyo Games. It became suspicious when Kremlev spent heavily on marketing himself, lined up only one sponsor — Russian energy company Gazprom — and battled with Olympic leaders.

          Next argument

          I’m a guy and I’m 99% sure I would loose to a pro female boxer in the same weight class, because I have 0 training or experience, but I’m also 99% sure I would do way better than a girl with 0 training or experience. Loosing doesn’t mean you don’t have an unfair advantage.

          Ok, fine, fair point, the lady’s had 50 matches, 37 wins, 9 losses Besides, Amy Broadhurst, one of her past boxing opponents, says she’s not as unstoppable as SHe looks

          However, how did Imane get her experience? By having to deal with boys trying to sock her for her skills in football

          Even using the lefts’ own logic, if sex is a spectrum and she as someone who’s intersex is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, isn’t it unfair and unsafe for either her or her rivals to fight each other when they’re so far apart on the thing that’s so detrimental to defining ones’ physical capabilities?

          Here… even if she was intersex, just consider this:

          An example of DSD noted by the NHS states: “You or your child may have sex chromosomes (bundles of genes) usually associated with being female (XX chromosomes) or usually associated with being male (XY chromosomes), but reproductive organs and genitals that may look different from usual.”

          This means even though someone may genetically be born with the “XY” typical male chromosomes, their body may not produce or respond to testosterone and they would develop more closely to a typical “XX” female.

          You give me specific data on her chromosomes and testosterone, and maybe I’ll consider it

          For example, he says that a female competitor could be categorized as having “high” testosterone when her levels are above 70 nanograms per deciliter of testosterone (ng/DL), but that might be only a single point above the normal range.

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          That’s a lot of text, let me use AI to condense it.

          condensed form

          pronounspronounjak-rage

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          As somebody who doesn’t care for sports, I always thought this xkcd was poignant:

          steroids

          That said, do we actually know she’s intersex?

          I’m sorry people are just giving you troll answers, btw.

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