This meme is from 2004. History repeats itself.

    • matcha_addict@lemy.lolOP
      2·
      1 year ago

      It’s important to note that the real disparity may be even far worse.

      OCHA-OPT (the committee gathering this data) is strict about verifying validity of Palestinian casualties, requiring two independent, verified and non-affiliated sources. Casualties in Israel, however, they trust the media at face value. They also exclude a lot of Palestinian casualties even when verified in certain situations. Example, and I quote them:

      People who were killed or injured in conflict-related incidents that took place in Israel and did not involve residents of the oPt are also excluded.

      oPt (occupied Palestinian territories) are the areas that Israel does not directly oversee. So most of Israel is not oPt by their criteria.

      Israel is notorious for restricting journalists reporting on Israeli crimes, and has murdered journalists countless of times, like last year the Christian Palestinian Shireen Abu Akleh reporting on the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Sheikh Jarrah (so not even in a war zone area). This causes many casualties to go unverified and thus undocumented.

      And Israel has been caught lying before about its own casualties, like the 40 beheaded babies.

      Take that as you will.

    • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      1 year ago

      Jesus Christ I had to scroll through like, 10 top level comments to find someone with a measure of reason. I’m actually stunned.

    • AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 year ago

      If civilians are civilians…

      "Amongst Israelis, 69% of those killed were civilians and 31% members of the IDF. The number of Israeli civilians killed, from attacks by Palestinian armed groups or individuals, has declined steadily, peaking in 2002 at an average of 22 deaths per month, and dropping markedly to an average of one civilian per month in 2007. 6/

      In contrast to Israeli figures, however, Palestinian civilian fatalities have remained high. Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli security forces, peaked with an average of 35 deaths per month in 2002, and again in 2004. In 2007 they dropped slightly to an average of ten civilian deaths per month."

      https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208380/

      Both sides kill civilians with abandon, and Israel is markedly better at it. Major media doesn’t seem to care very much about Palestinian civilians though.

    • Astroturfed@lemmy.world
      01·
      1 year ago

      I completely agree with you. Which is why when you look at the grotesque number of civilians Israel kills every year it’s pretty easy to condem them.

  • callouscomic@lemm.eeEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    Is this cartoon originally about the US invading the middle east? Looks like the twin towers in there.

  • Peter G@mastodon.social
    1·
    1 year ago

    @matcha_addict
    The issue here is similar to most of the land contest issues in the world: what historical period you use to determine land ownership. As an example: most of the current territory of Russia was once occupied by Mongolian tribes under the leadership of Chenghis Khan. So if that’s the frame of reference you use, Mongolia has legitimate rights to wage war to reclaim their land.

    • matcha_addict@lemy.lolOP
      11·
      1 year ago

      I have a solution for you: why shouldn’t we live with Israelis in peace? Why can’t we have a Democratic state for all? Israel loses this “historical land” battle, but even if they didn’t, does that justify massacre? Palestinians have always advocated a state for all, but Israel never agrees.

      • Peter G@mastodon.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        @matcha_addict I agree with you. Historically Jews and Arabs that occupied this land are the same people with different religious beliefs. They are all Semites. They should be able to live together.
        Globally speaking, the borders of counties are just arbitrarily drawn lines on the map. Lines, drawn by individual people who decided for the masses where they can and cannot have a home.
        I believe, we as humans, should abolish borders of any kind.

        • Peter G@mastodon.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          @matcha_addict But I’m afraid this idea has no traction. It’s only going to be possible if we as humanity realize that we are not alone in the universe and another species threatens us from outer space. I don’t know any other way that we can all unite as earthlings and realize the fallacy of carving up the world into spheres of influence for a few, mostly militaristic men.

  • SigloPseudoMundo@lemmy.ml
    11·
    1 year ago

    Take a look at this guy’s other Palestine Israel Post and decide if you wanna upvote this terrorist enjoyer.

  • HorriblePerson@feddit.nlEnglish
    01·
    1 year ago

    I agree with the comic. I do however disagree with the title. I think the Hamas’ attack shouldn’t to be called “resistance”, just as Israel’s response shouldn’t be called “self defense”.

    • matcha_addict@lemy.lolOP
      01·
      1 year ago

      I agree with you that it needs to be clarified further. While I think it is still “resistance” in the sense that it was done with the intention to resist occupation and all what Israel does, I do agree that civilians died that didn’t need to, and it did not lead to positive results.

      When you live your whole life in a concentration camp and get bombed almost daily, you may lose some rationality and start justifying more things in the name or resistance. Ultimately I blame Israel for putting them in this situation, and putting civilians so close to their border.

      In the end, my whole point is that Hamas attack must not justify a response from Israel. It should lead us to pull back instead.

  • gareins@lemm.ee
    01·
    1 year ago

    I love conflicted podcast. Condensed: fuck organizers of these attacks (likely iran) just before historic peace treaties in the region. They knew fully well what would the response be.