• thantik@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    What you described there is not what a human right consists of. Sure, governments should do exactly what you say, but something considered a ‘human right’ has much higher standards. It MUST be met. It’s not an optional strive-to-do-our-best situation.

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      10 months ago

      I mean healthcare is definitely a human right, but there is always more we could be doing. That’s a kind of arbitrary distinction that I don’t think adds anything to the discussion here.

      Basic human needs are basic human rights. I really do think it’s as simple as that.

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        10 months ago

        Healthcare is not a human right. It’s a societal right granted to you by those around you.

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      10 months ago

      Umm, no. That’s just not correct. A human right is anything a human should have the right to. End of.

      The practicalities of how we achieve that are a separate concern.

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        10 months ago

        A human right is anything a human should have the right to.

        In that case, you have no rights at all. Not even to speech, or the right not to be killed. “Rights” are invented by the society we live in. You have literally none in the natural world. As it exists, “Rights” are a religious idea. (Hence, “God-given rights”)

        The practicalities are of the utmost concern, because those practicalities are governed by the society which recognizes them as rights. As of now, there is no “human right to shelter”.

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          10 months ago

          you have no rights at all

          Wrong

          Not even to speech, or the right not to be killed

          Wrong

          “Rights” are invented by the society we live in

          Correct

          You have literally none in the natural world

          Correct

          As it exists, “Rights” are a religious idea

          Lol what? Where did you even get that idea?