I’d agree, but outsized severance packages are one of the reasons Europe snaps out of recession slower than the US. It especially affects entry level jobs, contributing to Europe’s higher rate of youth unemployment.
Companies are afraid to go on a hiring spree when the economy picks up because they’d be assuming liability for severance if the new business venture doesn’t work out.
Best of both worlds is to make it easy to hire and fire, but ensure there’s a strong social safety net for workers caught out by a recession.
I’m going to digress from the economics a tad and focus on the ethics of this. I feel like companies should be on the hook for this. You should invest in capital (including human labor) based on your confidence in its expected return. Companies should not be able to hire a myriad of workers for funzies and not have to meaningfully consider if that person will be necessary in 6 months. If it is a legitimate business venture, then the cost of potential severance for new hires should be folded into the economics of the decision to pursue that venture. Larger severance pay/worker protections encourage employers to not utilize exploitative hiring practices.
For example, a company in such an environment could have a plan for a four month bit of work. They could employ people on an appropriate short term contract.
Can’t tell if we’re agreeing or disagreeing. Companies should totally be able to hire on short-term contracts. But it should be clear that it is a temporary contract from the start, not a bait-and-switch from long-term employment to hire-and-fire.
I mean if the only way they’re gonna have jobs is through predatory hiring practices that could leave them fired and without severance, then yeah. Because if the company is planning on hiring these younger workers for the long-haul, then this shouldn’t be a significant change. I think overall national policy should discourage unnecessary high-turnover and predatory hiring. I’m sure there will be situations this is still unavoidable, but that doesn’t mean we have to endorse it by way of law/policy.
Yeah, what companies want is all jobs to be exploitable like entry level jobs. That’s kind of what’s happening now with stuff like Uber where companies get away with paying their employees as little as possible and few benefits.
Protecting and providing incentive to hire for the long term seems like better thing in the long run over many crappy low paying jobs.
I’d have a little more sympathy if companies were actually hiring people and not doing absolutely everything in their power to not hire real employees. Restaurants refuse to pay people minimum wage, corporate jobs only hire contractors, airbnb, lyft, and Uber all claim their workers aren’t employees, and if someone sneezes and it sounds like the word union they’re gone. We can live in magical fantasy ecomnics land, or we can discuss reality. Harsh regulations need to stop these companies from shafting regular people and if they decide to hold the economy hostage like 2008 then we forcibly make the company public property
Obviously this will never happen in America but let’s stop giving them lip service and call them the greedy leeches they are, and not holy job creators who bestow the gift of a prosperous economy upon us
I’d agree, but outsized severance packages are one of the reasons Europe snaps out of recession slower than the US. It especially affects entry level jobs, contributing to Europe’s higher rate of youth unemployment.
Companies are afraid to go on a hiring spree when the economy picks up because they’d be assuming liability for severance if the new business venture doesn’t work out.
Best of both worlds is to make it easy to hire and fire, but ensure there’s a strong social safety net for workers caught out by a recession.
I’m going to digress from the economics a tad and focus on the ethics of this. I feel like companies should be on the hook for this. You should invest in capital (including human labor) based on your confidence in its expected return. Companies should not be able to hire a myriad of workers for funzies and not have to meaningfully consider if that person will be necessary in 6 months. If it is a legitimate business venture, then the cost of potential severance for new hires should be folded into the economics of the decision to pursue that venture. Larger severance pay/worker protections encourage employers to not utilize exploitative hiring practices.
For example, a company in such an environment could have a plan for a four month bit of work. They could employ people on an appropriate short term contract.
Can’t tell if we’re agreeing or disagreeing. Companies should totally be able to hire on short-term contracts. But it should be clear that it is a temporary contract from the start, not a bait-and-switch from long-term employment to hire-and-fire.
Some people want a short term contract. If too few people want such, the company will have to pay a premium to hire people short term.
There of course must also be penalties for companies that hire ongoing, but end it before retirement
I guess you’re OK with putting a damper on entry level positions if it protects workers who already have a job.
They gave a nuanced reply. You wrote that.
I mean if the only way they’re gonna have jobs is through predatory hiring practices that could leave them fired and without severance, then yeah. Because if the company is planning on hiring these younger workers for the long-haul, then this shouldn’t be a significant change. I think overall national policy should discourage unnecessary high-turnover and predatory hiring. I’m sure there will be situations this is still unavoidable, but that doesn’t mean we have to endorse it by way of law/policy.
Yeah, what companies want is all jobs to be exploitable like entry level jobs. That’s kind of what’s happening now with stuff like Uber where companies get away with paying their employees as little as possible and few benefits.
Protecting and providing incentive to hire for the long term seems like better thing in the long run over many crappy low paying jobs.
I’d have a little more sympathy if companies were actually hiring people and not doing absolutely everything in their power to not hire real employees. Restaurants refuse to pay people minimum wage, corporate jobs only hire contractors, airbnb, lyft, and Uber all claim their workers aren’t employees, and if someone sneezes and it sounds like the word union they’re gone. We can live in magical fantasy ecomnics land, or we can discuss reality. Harsh regulations need to stop these companies from shafting regular people and if they decide to hold the economy hostage like 2008 then we forcibly make the company public property
Obviously this will never happen in America but let’s stop giving them lip service and call them the greedy leeches they are, and not holy job creators who bestow the gift of a prosperous economy upon us
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