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    It’s a concentration camp.

    The “inmates” are not supposed to survive this.

    I mean how could they? There was no crime so no time can be served. And even if there would be a made up time after which they would get free, these people have been tortured. They won’t be easily reintegrated into any society. They will be mentally unstable at best. Which country would take them?

    This is a death sentence with torture on top. Without trial, without oversight and as we can see even the Supreme Court can’t intervene.

    And Trump wants more of them and to add “home grown” threats (US citizens) to the people who land there.

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    When “agents” without uniforms or identification or warrants, wearing masks, snatch people up and put them in unmarked vans to destinations unknown – it’s “disappearing.”

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    Seriously American media needs to stop calling this deportation. Stop enabling Nazis. Stop grooming us to accept Nazis

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      Legacy media is run by Nazis. It’s Nazis all the way down.

      Maybe not all of it…but certainly News Corp, Sinclair, and WaPo.

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    The definition of deporting does not specify that it must be to the country of origin. It is simply the expulsion of a foreigner from a country. No specific destination is needed.

    This may seem pedantic, but words matter, and if you’re starting your argument by trying to twist and change what words mean, then you’re already weakening your point. Especially when you end your argument with GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT.

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      That’s actually “banishment” or as you said, “expulsion”…but it’s not “deportation”. Deportation is a legal process, that does imply you get sent back to where you came from. It has never meant being sent to prison in a country you’ve never been to.

      What Trump is doing, is definitely closer to human trafficking than anything else. There is a profit motive behind it.

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        It can be a legal process, and it may return you to your place of origin. Those aren’t requirements though. Yeah, it’s how the word is typically used and understood, but it is not strictly required.

        I do agree we need to use more precise language here though, and deportation isn’t it. It does technically fall under the definition of deportation, but it isn’t as descriptive as it should be.

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        Some of my ancestors suffered through the Expulsion of the Acadians and that’s widely referred to as a deportation, despite most Acadians not being “sent back where they came from”.

        I’m not sure your definition of deportation is widely accepted. None of the dictionaries I consulted mention any implications of deportations specifically referring to sending people to their country of origin.

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          My point was that deportation is a legal process. What Trump is doing, is bypassing that legal process altogether.

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      Yeah, in particular I know that being shipped from one Soviet Republic to a gulag in another was, and still is, referred to as being "deported, " e.g.

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    In German, i.e. the language of the work and death camps, Deportation is different from Abschiebung (≈off-pushing). Deportation in German still is associated with the Nazi regime, while Abschiebung is being normalised successfully.

    AFAIK, during and after the Second World War, the anglophone world learnt about the German crimes at least partially through a German language lense, so my guess is that the English word deportation was mingled with the meaning of the German word Deportation and the meaning of banning individuals from a place after due process.