Historically speaking, successful social change for the better, eg revolutions, has almost always come only when certain middle class/privileged people joined with underprivileged people.
Attacking anyone who is richer or whiter than yourself, when they are on the same side as you, is stupid.
Successful for whom? You do see the problem, right?
To add to this: You do see the irony in replying to a post about white activism and its hypocrisy with “well, activism works better when white people get involved”? Right? RIGHT?
What on earth makes you think I was referring to “white people” getting involved in non-white struggle??? Modern American race politics is meaningless in the context of the last thousand years of historical change.
I recommend you get yourself a copy of, say, The People’s History of the World and read up on social change in ancient Rome, the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the Caliphates etc.
What I am talking about is simply a matter of historical record.
A specifically non-white non-western example I can give you off the top of my head is the importance of the involvement of warrior caste people like Adbaraya Toya in the Haitian revolution.
Why yes, I’m am pissy at white people. You thinking that pointing it out is some kind of “ah-ha” moment just showcases obliviousness. I do believe you’re at least curious to understand, though. Unfortunately, explaining it would require a longer response than I’m willing to type right now so I’ll leave you with some links:
Historically speaking, successful social change for the better, eg revolutions, has almost always come only when certain middle class/privileged people joined with underprivileged people.
Attacking anyone who is richer or whiter than yourself, when they are on the same side as you, is stupid.
Successful for whom? You do see the problem, right?
To add to this: You do see the irony in replying to a post about white activism and its hypocrisy with “well, activism works better when white people get involved”? Right? RIGHT?
Successful in their aims.
What on earth makes you think I was referring to “white people” getting involved in non-white struggle??? Modern American race politics is meaningless in the context of the last thousand years of historical change.
I recommend you get yourself a copy of, say, The People’s History of the World and read up on social change in ancient Rome, the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the Caliphates etc.
What I am talking about is simply a matter of historical record.
A specifically non-white non-western example I can give you off the top of my head is the importance of the involvement of warrior caste people like Adbaraya Toya in the Haitian revolution.
Yes, you’re it.
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I’m a white dude, and this reads like you’re just pissy, but I’m open to the idea I might be wrong or blinded due to my privilege.
Please explain what you’re getting at? If I’m in the wrong about this, I would love to know and become better.
Why yes, I’m am pissy at white people. You thinking that pointing it out is some kind of “ah-ha” moment just showcases obliviousness. I do believe you’re at least curious to understand, though. Unfortunately, explaining it would require a longer response than I’m willing to type right now so I’ll leave you with some links:
https://www.healthline.com/health/white-saviorism
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/09670106211024419
https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/the-politics-of-representation-in-the-climate-movement/
Basically, white people getting involved into the problems of non-white societies very often leads to erasure and colonialism.