People online complain that Linux is hard to install for new users. But who are these people and why do they levy these complaints? The biggest barrier for the new Linux user isn't the installer; i...
Oh look. Yet another post demanding things from a volunteer-based community without actually volunteering their own time to work on solving the problem they’re insisting needs solving.
I’m sure these demands will totally make a difference in ways that putting their time into actually writing code wouldn’t.
I think it should be encouraged for non technical users to share their insights regarding UI/UX. People who are skilled in building applications often don’t have great skills in that area anyway. Actual UI/UX specialists are even harder to come by it seems.
The issue with this video is that it doesn’t bring in a ton of new insight. Issues regarding the variety of package management solutions are well know for example, and some distros are already solving this by having system packages and flatpaks managed by the same installer.
Correct. There are actual efforts going on to resolve those issues. Which begs the question, why post vague exhortations for people to “do something” about this, rather than focusing the efforts in places where it will make a difference?
This isn’t a post saying “hey, come to this project and pitch in.” This post is just bitching into the ether and then some folks getting butthurt when the pointless performative nonsense is called out for what it is.
Posts like this one happen on a near-daily basis all across FOSS mailing lists. It’s trivial to find numerous, often young, often inexperienced people who think their idea is the one that “fixes everything”. These people reason that everyone should fall over one another to put effort into their magical idea once they see the obviousness and correctness of the idea. Clearly, it’s simply incorrect to find fault in an obviously perfect idea such as this one.
It’s just so weird that literally none of the people with these amazing ideas are the ones doing a “git init” and getting started on the work of actually implementing their amazing ideas. Bizarre how so many spectacular, world-changing ideas need to be worked on by literally anyone BUT their champion. What a horrible world we must live in filled with nasty, evil people who simply won’t volunteer their personal time when we should feel so blessed with this holy relic of an idea.
This narrative is so childish that the only response it deserves is the one echoed by nearly the entire FOSS community, “Patches welcome!”
ROFL. Kiddo, I’ve been contributing to OSS for over two decades. The day I start caring about what non-contributors think is the day I stop writing code. Either show up with patches or STFU.
Yeah, you don’t pay for software, you pay for support that won’t insult you. Seeking support for FOSS stuff is like running a gauntlet of people who insist you’re too stupid to use it.
If we want normies to use FOSS, the community needs to stop saying normies don’t deserve FOSS.
We really gonna pretend the name caller is as bad as the guy with the opinion that “critics are useless and should just learn how to do the thing the critique”? Cuz that’s a classic shitty opinion
Definitely silly but im tired of trying to explain something especially when they act like that and I know they arent going to listen. They can simply get name called. People dont like that but its simply not my obligation.
Nobody is gatekeeping. One of us is asserting that there’s no such thing as a free lunch.
The features being requested do not come for free. Someone has to sink the time into doing the work.
So, in an argument between people doing the work and people insisting someone else do the work for them, but it must be to the specifications of the armchair quarterbacks… well… I’ve got bad news about the things the non-paying non-coders want.
You can either pay money or pay time, but nobody cares about the freeloaders demanding things without offering any kind of compensation.
It’s always interesting to see how people react to being told to put in their own effort instead of demanding the effort of others.
You have access to the code bases. You have access to the contributing rules. You can submit your patches to the same repos everyone else puts their code in. What exactly is being denied to you?
Oh look. Yet another post demanding things from a volunteer-based community without actually volunteering their own time to work on solving the problem they’re insisting needs solving.
I’m sure these demands will totally make a difference in ways that putting their time into actually writing code wouldn’t.
I think it should be encouraged for non technical users to share their insights regarding UI/UX. People who are skilled in building applications often don’t have great skills in that area anyway. Actual UI/UX specialists are even harder to come by it seems.
The issue with this video is that it doesn’t bring in a ton of new insight. Issues regarding the variety of package management solutions are well know for example, and some distros are already solving this by having system packages and flatpaks managed by the same installer.
Correct. There are actual efforts going on to resolve those issues. Which begs the question, why post vague exhortations for people to “do something” about this, rather than focusing the efforts in places where it will make a difference?
This isn’t a post saying “hey, come to this project and pitch in.” This post is just bitching into the ether and then some folks getting butthurt when the pointless performative nonsense is called out for what it is.
Posts like this one happen on a near-daily basis all across FOSS mailing lists. It’s trivial to find numerous, often young, often inexperienced people who think their idea is the one that “fixes everything”. These people reason that everyone should fall over one another to put effort into their magical idea once they see the obviousness and correctness of the idea. Clearly, it’s simply incorrect to find fault in an obviously perfect idea such as this one.
It’s just so weird that literally none of the people with these amazing ideas are the ones doing a “git init” and getting started on the work of actually implementing their amazing ideas. Bizarre how so many spectacular, world-changing ideas need to be worked on by literally anyone BUT their champion. What a horrible world we must live in filled with nasty, evil people who simply won’t volunteer their personal time when we should feel so blessed with this holy relic of an idea.
This narrative is so childish that the only response it deserves is the one echoed by nearly the entire FOSS community, “Patches welcome!”
By that logic I should demand to get payed for testing your “free” software in real environment
Not testing, using.
Don’t sit there being obtuse. One of the benefits of foss is that actual users help test the software and bring feedback to make it better
You just want to be thought of as special
Developers of software are a dime a dozen and becoming an outdated profession. Keep the smugness out of this otherwise. Good day
If I report bug it’s testing
And that attitude is why adoption will remain low
There goes the Q4 profit goals of the FOSS community.
ROFL. Kiddo, I’ve been contributing to OSS for over two decades. The day I start caring about what non-contributors think is the day I stop writing code. Either show up with patches or STFU.
Okie dokie boomer
You’re both being silly. Ones a gatekeeper, ones a name caller
Want to know what’s wrong with Linux? The community.
Yeah, you don’t pay for software, you pay for support that won’t insult you. Seeking support for FOSS stuff is like running a gauntlet of people who insist you’re too stupid to use it.
If we want normies to use FOSS, the community needs to stop saying normies don’t deserve FOSS.
We really gonna pretend the name caller is as bad as the guy with the opinion that “critics are useless and should just learn how to do the thing the critique”? Cuz that’s a classic shitty opinion
Not pretending anything. Saying they’re both acting silly. Eos.
Have a nice day
Definitely silly but im tired of trying to explain something especially when they act like that and I know they arent going to listen. They can simply get name called. People dont like that but its simply not my obligation.
Nobody is gatekeeping. One of us is asserting that there’s no such thing as a free lunch.
The features being requested do not come for free. Someone has to sink the time into doing the work.
So, in an argument between people doing the work and people insisting someone else do the work for them, but it must be to the specifications of the armchair quarterbacks… well… I’ve got bad news about the things the non-paying non-coders want.
You can either pay money or pay time, but nobody cares about the freeloaders demanding things without offering any kind of compensation.
Sounds like you dont actually want to work on FOSS software
" the day I start caring about what non-contributers think …"
Be sure not to wear your actual gate keeping opinion on Your sleeve if you want to deny them .
It’s always interesting to see how people react to being told to put in their own effort instead of demanding the effort of others.
You have access to the code bases. You have access to the contributing rules. You can submit your patches to the same repos everyone else puts their code in. What exactly is being denied to you?
Honestly kid. I’m done with this. You know the answer to that. I’m done with this. You’re all just too exhausting.
And again that is a Linux issue. Because no one wants to be thought of as insufferable as it appears Linux contributes are.
If one doesn’t want valid critique, one should take their software private and leave everyone alone.
Otherwise anyone can make all the critiques they want. Don’t like it? Don’t do things in public. Make the software privately and alone