• Lunya \ she/it@iusearchlinux.fyi
    86·
    9 months ago

    my favourite part is Steam throwing in a symlink, a broken symlink, and a directory of 4 files and 7 more symlinks that all point to a more reasonable point in ~/.local/share/steam/

  • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    59·
    9 months ago

    It’s one thing when they have legacy hardcode mountains preventing a standardisation, but I really dislike developers who just disagree with the standard and take away the choice as well and justify it with some made up problems with that standard.

    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/864

    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735285

    etc…

    Archlinux Wiki even has an article about those.

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Base_Directory#Hardcoded

    • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org
      95·
      9 months ago

      The Windows equivilent would be instead of putting application data in the AppData folder, it throws it in Documents, My Games, or just in the home folder directly.

        • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
          23·
          9 months ago

          Better, it could be literally anywhere and there’s nothing you can do about it. Also symlinks practically look like regular folders and files to most apps.

        • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
          5·
          9 months ago

          That’s why i prefer to use Wine for games. Just change the symlinks in C:/users/<you> to somewhere sane, like .local/Games/<game>/save. Guess you could also use the variables in .config/user-dirs.dirs while creating the prefix, but i haven’t tested that yet.

          • Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca
            8·
            9 months ago

            There’s no game related dirs in your My Documents dir? Most don’t even use My Games they just dump directly into My Documents. I guarantee most game devs don’t understand the difference between local and roaming either. They just put shit randomly wherever they want

              • Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca
                1·
                9 months ago

                Linux is just as bad. You actually got anything in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME or is your /home just a dot file dumping ground?

                • Victor@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  lol, this almost reads as a personal attack.

                  I have almost nothing in my home directory, no. Been applying this to clean it up even further. I want my chezmoi dotfiles repo to be clean. Especially not games’ files since I run Steam through flatpak. It does put things in ~/.var but at least it’s collected to one point.

                  Not really a problem of “Linux” or “Windows”, but more of “developers”.

      • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
        361·
        9 months ago

        … or just imagine all of it being thrown on the Desktop (the bare user directory is rarely visited in Windows)

      • Queue@pawb.social
        9·
        9 months ago

        Hahahaha oh man I know exactly what you’re talking about too 😭 hate when they do that

    • Hubi@feddit.de
      61·
      9 months ago

      Most software on Linux is configured to place their config files in ~/.config. Some others, like the ones in the pic, just dump them directly into your home folder.

    • MimicJar@lemmy.world
      491·
      9 months ago

      Yes.

      Many applications have configuration files. Historically these files were placed in your home directory aka “on the floor”. The variable mentioned defines a directory where these files should go. Many applications ignore this.

      A non-linux version of this meme might go,

      “Here is the pizza you ordered”

      “Great, could you put it in my hands”

      “Lol (throws pizza on floor)”

    • neidu2@feddit.nl
      39·
      9 months ago

      $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is an environment variable that programs can (and should) read to determine the location for storing dotfiles (config files, kind of). Not reading (or caring about) the environment variable, and not adhering to the default of /home/username/.config/ results in them ending up in the home directory.

    • ☭ SaltyIceteaMaker ☭@iusearchlinux.fyi
      1·
      9 months ago

      So in linux you have an extra directory just for configuration files/directories wich often start with a . (Dot) (that’s why they are calld dot files). But some applications dont use that directory but rather just dump them into your user directory, wich causes it to get cluttered with files wich should be put into the “.config” directory

  • pathief@lemmy.world
    26·
    9 months ago

    If plasma could put all their damn files inside a “plasma” folder that’d be great too.

  • janAkali@lemmy.oneEnglish
    25·
    9 months ago

    In theory this issue can be solved with LD_PRELOAD trick. E.g. redirect all/most/some fopen calls to “$HOME” to some other directory. But before I try to tackle it myself: is there already a similar solution like that?

  • jeremyparker@programming.dev
    295·
    9 months ago

    I love you all very much but just please be aware that “the floor” is literally where the files are supposed to go, according to the spec. I don’t like it, you don’t like it, nobody likes it. But that’s why it’s happening.

    Relevant section quoted for the lazy:

    User specific configuration files for applications are stored in the user’s home directory in a file that starts with the ‘.’ character (a “dot file”). If an application needs to create more than one dot file then they should be placed in a subdirectory with a name starting with a ‘.’ character, (a “dot directory”). In this case the configuration files should not start with the ‘.’ character.

    • ZephrC@lemm.ee
      25·
      9 months ago

      You know everything on that site was written in 2004 or earlier, right? That hasn’t been the relevant spec for a long, long time now. We use xdg for that now. Configs go in xdg_config_home.

        • ZephrC@lemm.ee
          9·
          9 months ago

          We do have both. That’s the whole complaint. There are still major applications using the decades obsolete standard. It was changed because it leaves your home directory a cluttered, useless mess. Also, if you really want your dotfiles in your home directory you can just set your xdg_config_home to your home directory instead of its default of .config.

  • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    17·
    9 months ago

    i understand the linux side of the joke but can someone explain what this meme format means? /gen

    is this pizza guy known for chucking pizzas?

  • shameless@lemmy.world
    8·
    9 months ago

    As someone fairly new to Linux, other than this being messy and not following the standards, what else is bad about this?

    • pistapopper@lemm.ee
      24·
      9 months ago

      One particular pain for me in VSCode is that it puts a .vscode folder in my repo, which I have to specifically exclude from git every single time. I can’t expect other users of the repo to use vscode, let alone my settings synced to git. In firefox, it sometimes gets tricky finding the profile folder, as it changes across distros. Similarly, I always find it difficult searching for service files (there are at least 4 folders that I now know of). All of this searching around and doing little things used to be irritating - though you get used to it, and figure out shortcuts. TBH - windows has some of this too - I had to customise a bunch of stuff on first boot.

      No clue about Nvidia - I hear they make something called GPUs but I have not been able to afford any, so can’t say I relate.

      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
        18·
        9 months ago

        One particular pain for me in VSCode is that it puts a .vscode folder in my repo, which I have to specifically exclude from git every single time.

        That’s pretty standard behavior for IDEs. Like Jetbrains IDEs store their config in a .idea folder in the root of the workspace, Visual Studio has a config directory in the root of the workspace, xcode probably does the same thing… It’s standard practice, and a simple thing to account for - as you said, just add it to your .gitignore and you’re golden. That allows people to use whatever IDE they want and configure it however they like.

      • Trollception@lemmy.world
        6·
        9 months ago

        Interesting. The default gitignore in Windows at least for both vscode and visual studio exclude those directories along with obj, bin, etc and a bunch of other non code files.