There’s pretty clearly a big difference between saying we cannot ally with the DNC and must organize outside of that, vs saying cooperation itself is bad and we should organize on our own.

The Hungarian counter-revolution was led by fascists. They let Nazis out of prison, and were lynching Jewish people and communists. They were armed and trained by MI6, and had connections to the CIA at minimum. Had the fascists succeeded, Hungary would have seen the same devastation it ended up seeing in the 90s when the Soviet Union dissolved, a sharp fall in life expectancy, massive wealth disparity, huge increases in drug abuse and prostitution, huge spikes in homelessness and poverty.

To put it in other terms, imagine if the January 6th rioters started lynching officials, and were backed by a foreign power.

We want unity, around correct political lines. The point of agitprop is to get people talking and coming to a consensus on the correct line to follow.

.worlder, can’t see your comment.

Social democracy is capitalism with safety nets, I mean socialism. Rather than private ownership being principle, ie covering the large firms and key industries with the state dominated by capitalists, public ownership should be principle and the working class should dominate the state.

Kinda!

The liberal idea is that supply and demand meet at price, and they try to obfuscate value by wrapping it up into supply. However, Marxist economics provides a more grounded and coherent answer, that value is the real center and that fluctuations in supply and demand merely bring price above or below value. Value is best represented as the socially necessary labor time to produce a commodity, and is what forms the basis of price.

You’re linking a propagandist that doesn’t speak mandarin nor Uyghur, and is walking around trying deliberately to manufacture propaganda. The entire channel seems dedicated to propogating western exceptionalism and demonization of non-white nations.

Did he? He gets walked off by civilians in the tank man video, was there confirmation of that happening?

The way people voted or not did not cause the mess the US Empire is in, capitalism did, as well as it’s evolution into imperialism and now the decay of imperialism. This is just standard leftism.

The problem isn’t democracy, it’s democracy under capitalism, and the idea that we can actually transition to socialism via electoralist means.

You’re asking a question with a loaded premise, no system is immune to problems like corruption. At the same time, the various systems of socialist democracy have been far better than capitalist democracy, and the reasoning common to all is that the working class is in control, rather than capitalists. Structure varies from state to state, but having a system where the input and direction of the working class is paramount is far superior to capitalist democracy.

In capitalism, it’s democracy for the capitalists, dictatorship for the workers, in socialism it’s democracy for the workers, dictatorship for the capitalists.

There’s a lot of research and reading you can do on how socialist states function, and a lot we can learn from them.

There’s no actual evidence that the DNC treats leftists any differently. Both parties did the Red Scare, both parties root out communists, both parties bomb and sanction socialist countries.

Socialist democracy. The political structure is a way to reinforce the economic base, so by moving onto socialism, the working class is in control of the state. The issue isn’t with voting, period, but the idea that we can escape capitalism just by doing so.

The people who “love every country that calls itself communist, or voices opposition to the US” don’t really exist. MLMs that support Gonzalo and Pol Pot are fringe, and moreover don’t support China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. When I say “communists support,” I am aware that there are outliers, but the idea that people on Lemmy in any significant number have views akin to what’s described here is false.

Capitalism was in many ways progressive as compared to feudalism, but came with new devastation and greater imperialism on a massive scale. Socialism has been far better for the people than capitalism has been, though, and as imperialism crumbles and socialist countries are rising this is becoming clearer and clearer.

Oh I’m aware, that’s why I said he’d have to adopt genuinely leftist politics, rather than sheepdogging for imperialism.

Absolutely. It’s democracy for the few, dictatorship for the many.

There’s a split in liberalism, between true believers and those disillusioned but who can’t see a way out. I believe the latter are more common these days, and are the target of the meme. The cure is organizing and reading theory, becoming a leftist in the process, but right now they still cling to faux-progressivism and electoralism.

It’s not really that capitalism “corrupts” democracy, it’s that all states serve the ruling class, and the political formation reinforces that. Capitalist democracy is democracy for capitalists, dictatorship for workers. In a socialist state, the political power is held by the workers, it becomes democracy for the working class and dictatorship for capitalists, landlords, etc.

Liberal democracy isn’t democratic, and electoralism as a means of systemic change doesn’t work. Socialist democracy does work, and delivers far higher rates of approval and perceptions of democracy being effective.