Hey, I think his point is rather simple and don’t require much mental gymnastics, if you are a little generous in reading it by ignoring how it is phrased.

His thought process is,

You saw the meme and there is no comment or expression by you towards how they knew men voted for trump. You seemingly just accepted it but when I express the 52% statement, you correctly doubted my words and expressed interest in how people would know. Why did the potentially photoshopped screenshot from some random news channel with similar information, didn’t trigger the same response in you?

Ofc it is flawed to assume that you weren’t wondering about that when looking at the meme. For all everyone else knows, you saw me as someone who could tell you as I was presenting similar information. So their hostility wasn’t proper. But the core of the question might be interesting for yourself, which is why I try to communicate it better.

If you weren’t wondering about the method of obtaining the data in the meme, you might want to reflect on why.

Well said.

As a guy who used to be a young man and with a lot of young men as friends, retrospectively yeah, most issues were based in insecurities. You really want to be an adult and you feel like you should be one but you don’t know how to be one. You go out and want to meet girls and you are scared of the rejection.

You can act like that is “anti-masculine” sentiment but it isn’t. It is an understanding of humans.

Just as a sidenote, based on my experience every young adult is struggling with insecurities.

So just to get you straight, you make fun of men for being upset at the “meme” for push gender war non sense. When I critic you over you also push gender war non sense, you tell me that it isn’t about the popular vote and when I point out that the exit polls are effectively popular votes. And ask, why aren’t you talking about the popular vote of white woman but focus on men? Pointing out your gender war non sense, your defence is “I just engage in gender war non sense of the meme and push those ideas”. Okay

How do they know that men voted for trump?

Exit polls.

https://www.statista.com/chart/33408/female-male-us-voters-exit-polls/

Didn’t catch that sorry.

You tell me as a response of me calling out gender war. Good one.

Then why are you talking about the popular vote of men then? Weird double standard there.

And I am not talking about a “similar” demographic because you miss the point. Why do you focus on men? Why not on white women? Why not on the general population?

I would rather kill myself than vote for trump, who is a sexist, racist and fascist.

And I am with you. The boarder left is in denial that they are alienating especially young men with that behavior.

You are aware that 52% of white women voted for trump and that he won the popular vote by nearly 5 million votes (72,656,451 for trump, 67,978,280 for Harris) between both that is 140,634,731 votes. So 1% would be 1406347.31. so trump won by about 3% popular vote.

Blaming specifically men and exclusively, is what pisses them off.

America is sexist and racist.

52% of white women voted for trump.

Chances are that many of the people crying about men voting trump, are part of a demographic that mostly voted trump.

Trump apparently won the popular vote anyway. Most of everyone who voted, voted trump. But let’s focus on men and then be surprised that young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway, feel attacked by the left and choose the right.

I have never seen a more easily offended person as a person who calls others snowflake.

It is not a screengrab.

“Not the other way around” hahaha good one!

That quote was “misquoted” hahaha sorry but you realize that I made it up by combining the meme in the post of this comment section and the words of the user that I talked to, to highlight their nonsense. How is that misquoted? Like if I write “I am stinky”, i am not misquoting anyone because I am not assigning it to anyone. I am not claiming that it is a quote. and if I did, I would be the author of the quote and how the fuck do I misquote myself? So what are you on about here???

So now you want to tell me that a third party voter disagrees with Harris and trump in all point the same amount? What a ridiculous notion. What would they say? “I disagree that trans people should be allowed to exist but also I disagree that trans people shouldn’t be allowed to exist.” Get serious.

“Democrats acting like there is no comparison between them and the republicans” there isn’t though. One party supports a guy who has a history of praising Hilter and Nazi Germany in general, tells the IDF to finish up, supports white supremacists, and of course, expresses fascistic ideas. The other is in favor of democracy, her name is Harris. Sure, the democrats has their flaws, but there is no comparison.

“The democrats are helping to kill your family and friends…” Yes. Yes I would. Because my understanding of politics is practical and not idealistic. Harris can be convinced that supporting this is a big mistake. Trump wants them to finish up. Third party is a lost vote for the party that I agree more with, so a vote for trump in practice. So I would vote for Harris. I am sorry for the victims but I rather help them a little in reality than a lot in fantasy.

“Gain votes”: to this point, I wrote a lot and decided to keep it short. This is besides the point of our discussion. It is heavily implying that Harris is making her decision to maximize her voter turnout. It is naive to think voter turnout is the only concern of a vice president with foreign policy experience in regards of going against a close military ally and years of co-operation of their intelligence agencies. I don’t know if you know but a lot of security software used in the us is written and/or owned by former unit 8200 members; you know the israeli intelligence corps. There is a risk why the us banned Kaspersky, after Russia invasion. But as I think all of this is besides the point, I will leave this with a “I don’t support the way Israel is operating, regardless how one wants to call it, it is morally wrong. Don’t understand my criticism of nativity as a support of Harris’s stance”

Please look into how the us election works and tell me again that it is cultural.

The us system is so broken that splitting the vote is a reality. If you believe that Harris is more your candidate than trump than voting third party makes it more likely than trump wins. That is sad reality. Voting third party is voting against your own best interest.

I feel bad for Americans but the land of the free doesn’t let you vote who you like but forces you to vote against who you hate.

Also what quote did you mean? I am still looking for an answer.

Good read but not really a response to what I said or what you said. I assume our conversation ended. Have a nice day

You are right… They talking about voting for Harris would be like cutting of a hand and implying that voting for trump is like cutting of a arm; and instead of choosing one of them, one should fight the System; certainly doesn’t carry the implication that one should vote third party.

But I am wondering what am I not understanding about the conversation?

You seem to misunderstand. I am not saying trump or Harris (not Biden) is a false dichotomy. I am saying, voting for Harris and fighting the system is a false dichotomy. Regardless of whether or not Harris is part of the system, you can vote Harris and protest the system.

I did think about what they said. They affectively say, I am willing to risk trump in a seemingly close election between trump and Harris because both are supportive of Israel and therefore they want to vote for a 3rd party candidate. So they are saying on a response to a post which is the meme in question, they are willing to risk a man who said that the IDF has to finish up and finish what they started because then he can feel better about his vote.

I am not sure what quote you mean.

You wrote “Germans”, I point out that treating a whole country as if they all have 1 opinion, is ridiculous. And then your counter is that?

Yes, Germany is a democracy. That doesn’t mean shit though. There are many different reasons for voting for a party and in the last election, “should Israel commit a genocide?” Wasn’t part of the discussion. So maybe the people in power don’t align with their voters on that issue. But even if it was part of the discussion, so are many different things. So in 2021, Germans might have their reasons to vote for people that they would disagree with now. Democracies are flawed, like any other system of governance.

As I am not German, I don’t want to speak for them, if you are looking for an opinion