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If that’s the takeaway you want rather than “standard business practice is to vet organizations you support to make sure your goals are aligned”…uh…good for you?

If you tell me “I will use some of any money you give me to fund terrorism” and I choose to give you money anyway, I am deliberately funding terrorism.

Framework is deliberately funding white nationalists. They may not have been before yesterday, but now they’ve been told and now they’ve been told that’s what they’re doing.

Tbh I’m not sure what you’re saying here. Person said they had to scroll down 5 results to get to the asshole being an asshole and seemed to think that was proof it’s hard to research (hence my “five whole links”) and then you seemed to be saying that since it’s “hard to find” and the business isn’t slapping a nazi flag front and center on their website means it’s fine to use their stuff. If that’s not what you meant, great. But you said the same thing again, so I’m pretty sure you meant it.

I dunno I’ve watched enough of the maga people talk to be pretty confident they just hate the world.

The “this guy will shake things up” argument would make sense if he hadn’t already been our single most corrupt president in a generation (until 47)

Yeah I figured it out from another message: intent matters. Framework appears to intend to support bad people. Tankies support bad causes but appear to think they are good. That moves the question to “what is good”. Obviously white nationalists have a definition of good that I don’t agree with but they think they are doing good or at least claim as such. However I think I generally agree with tankies, broadly, on their definition of good. I just think they are self deluded into believing that the world simply isn’t as simple and awful as it appears to be. That having been said, my reference point for tankies is a few memes, so it may be that there’s depths of evil there that I’m not aware of. However what I’ve seen is that they seem to be pro workers rights, anti capitalist power, etc…all of which I broadly agree with.

If I send you a dollar and you send 50c to white nationalists and then you tell me that and I give you another dollar, now I am funding white nationalists. This isn’t complex. Knowledge+action = result.

What a bizarre take on my message. Re-read what I wrote, and then read what you wrote, and maybe revise some of your assumptions about what I wrote.

Have you…never had a job? I’m really really confused by your aggro response. This is standard operating procedure for any company with more than like 15 people (or with any large assets they can be sued over). I regularly get quotes delayed due to companies having to get their own quotes for their own off the shelf hardware through legal approval.

Correct, we are raised from birth on the opinions of our family, society, etc. I don’t know anyone raised in isolation.

I already answered that: your question is trying to move the goalposts away from what framework is doing.

I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven’t thought through why yet.

Voting can absolutely be a hateful act, I literally can’t imagine what happens in your brain that makes you think otherwise. The entire US 2024 election was hate vs not-the-hate-guy. A vengeance fantasy for middle aged white men.

It’s literally in the post you’re responding to. I didn’t do any external research other than read the thread.

Before they invest money? Yes

If you’re going to hold lemmy to the same standard we are holding lemmy to in this thread, absolutely yes. Did you not see the detailed links provided by oop?

And uh …don’t the tankies not believe in those allegations? Isn’t that their whole thing, that western media is lying about it? Ie delusional like I said.

Can you point me to that (must be lemmy dev or moderator appointed by a lemmy dev to be comparable)? All I’ve seen are posts on power tripping where people get banned because they say things like “Russia started it” or “Tiananmen lol, amirite”. I’ve not seen anything to the extent you’re describing and would be interested in seeing it.

And uh, the problem isn’t the use of software. Nothing in this thread is about the use of software.

That’s how it would have been if they hadn’t responded with big tent. Once they responded with “we do this on purpose” it became a thing

I wasn’t worried about that I was just disappointed by the thread

I mean if your band starts heiling and you send them a thousand dollars, people are absolutely going to judge you and you’d deserve it. That’s what happened here.

I can’t think of a single example of this, can you provide something to back your point up?