Please, again, read up on developmental psychology, and what the prefrontal cortex does. The alternative, for you, is to effectively have zero empathy for anyone younger than the early 20s. Whether they murdered or stole a cookie or broke a toy.
I’m out of here lest sounding like a broken clock.
His upbringing isn’t relevant to the issue.
Why? Because it would put blame on the adults? Because you want to, at all cost, deflect responsibility from the ones in the position to provide warmth without there being a burning village?
I call that spineless.
He isn’t owed any societal protections for deciding to kill someone.
Why, then, are the adults owed social protections for deciding to turn him into the kid he became? And yes I used “decided” deliberately here: If he decided to become a murderer, then the adults can’t claim that “it was an accident”, “we didn’t mean to” when it comes up to turning him into a murderer.
I would hedge my bets for now. Alternative scenario: The Saudis throw another party for Trump, make some business deals in exchange for reigning in Israel. The House of Al Saud of course doesn’t care about Palestinians but their people do and a party and some business is a low price to pay to be celebrated by your subjects.
When it comes to Russia, Trump may realise that Putin way overplayed his hand, but that’s balanced by animosity towards Zelensky. OTOH, I mean, business deals. Don’t underestimate Ukraine when it comes to being smooth operators. They can sell NASA/SpaceX rocket engines made from Russian war reparations titanium.
Thing is: Trump is highly neurotic and thus, while not necessarily predictable, highly manipulatable if you know what you’re doing. Only have to blow the right smoke up his ass.
It’s a pretty simple concept. He is the one who performed the act. He is responsible.
So if someone calls up an assassin to murder another person, the one who ordered the kill gets off scott-free?
Unless you can show the adults deliberately taught him to murder, I’d say no.
Adults have a duty to raise kids well, just as they have a duty to file their taxes. If they cannot do so on their own, they have the right to be helped along by the rest of society. And, really, even if not there’s that other (more famous) African saying: It takes a village to raise a kid.
Consider the alternative, or, rather, that really seems to be what you’re implying: That children are responsible for their own upbringing. Next up: Babies are expected to grow their own food. Your potted petunia is responsible for its own watering.
You argued that 4-year-olds don’t need supervision.
If they have shown signs of being violent to their peers, yes of course they need supervision. And so does our 15yold. But that doesn’t mean that we pre-emptively supervise every kid that way they’d never learn independence, and thus never truly become adults, they’d just spinelessly bow to the next random person who passes as an authority figure.
Life, liberty, rights, and privileges can - and should - be deprived upon conviction of a crime.
Life can and should be deprived? That’s barbaric. Every civilised country has abolished the death penalty. Heck even parts of the US managed to abolish it.
I summarily reject your suggestion that a 15-year-old is so lacking in their capacity for executive control that they can be excused of murder.
So you reject reality. Which explains a lot.
By all means, be warm to the kid. Until he starts setting people on fire.
And what if noone was warm to him, who is at fault when the village burns? I’d say the adults are. Punishing the kid is just them trying to cover up their own failures. A convenient scapegoat for their own failure to foster wholesome interactions.
Your position is therefore undemocratic.
If your position was to kill all people of a particular skin color then my position would be the same. Democracy cannot work if fundamental rights are not protected from onslaught by people who, ultimately, would abolish democracy itself. Because that’s where your path leads: Towards a failure to regard other people as people.
comprehend the rightness and wrongness of murder
You still fail to acknowledge that that’s not what it’s about. It’s about executive control. If an adult has an intrusive thought they have a very good grasp on blocking it, youth doesn’t. If everything works well then they’re simply exploration happy, like stupid bands, invent new makeup styles and re-invent the shopping cart race. If society messed them up at a fundamental level then things like murder can bubble up, and might not be stopped by the weak frontal cortex. That does not mean that they’ll regret it, though: They’re already perfectly capable of rationalising, and will do so to maintain a consistent self-image of themselves.
Did you understand anything of what I just wrote. Please rephrase it in your own words (“So you’re saying that…”) so I know we won’t continue to talk past each other, there.
More generally speaking, there’s an African saying: If a kid does not feel the warmth of the village they will find the warmth they deserve by setting it ablaze.
You’re just not shooting at the enemy, but you’re still shot at by artillery or missiles.
If you’re in artillery range that’s a combat role. Definitions may differ but you’re “serving at arms”.
…and, no, when Ukraine is sending in a Leopard or such for repair they’re not doing it on the frontlines. The service centre is in Poland, the frontline is too much of a fickle place to have big cranes, stacks of turrets and chassis to mix and match, etc. That’s a different thing from a shop a bit back from the frontline that can do “extended field repairs”, say, replace a track, or switch other parts that are designed to be easily replaced. Those places are at least semi-mobile and part of the tank battalion.
because you could be drafted to maintenance near the front lines,
And field hospitals can’t be near front lines? If with “near the front” you mean “you’re running around with a sidearm” then that’s a combat role, combat mechanic isn’t a non-combat role, the actual maintenance is just as far back as hospitals are.
So your statement that it is harsher on women is not correct.
You cannot interpret “harsher” freely, without taking account what I called harsher, after the colon: Women who don’t have the stomach to go into the medical field don’t have an out, legally speaking. While the law says “Not all men are fighters”, it is saying “all women are nurses”. You see the difference in essentialism there, don’t you?
Ad hominem.
I’m not attacking your person, I’m attacking whatever backwater government you’re living under for having such inane laws.
He has been found to have the mental capacity necessary to comprehend the difference between the “rightness” and “wrongness” of jamming a knife into another human.
He has been found to have the capacity necessary to stand trial in juvenile court. Those standards are different than for adults because, and I’ll say this again: Juveniles are not fully developed. They don’t have the same mental capacity.
Some people should just never see the light of day again. This kid is one of them.
If, at the ripe age of 90, he’s still messed up then I’d agree with you. But there’s quite a couple of decades until then.
As said: You’re out for blood, plain and simple. You know nothing of understanding, of forgiveness, or you would be more lenient, you know nothing about justice or you would take into account that he’s a kid, and you certainly know nothing about developmental psychology.
You should be kept as far away from the justice system as possible. I don’t consider you unredeemable, but by the way you dig in your heels and refuse to listen to arguments it’s going to be a while before that restriction can be lifted.
Failure to continuously supervise a 4-year-old you are responsible for is a chargeable offense.
I’m sorry you’re living under fascism.
He was found to not have sufficiently diminished capacity to excuse or mitigate his actions.
Which does not mean that he is responsible for being the way that he is. Criminal insanity is a rare thing and, as a verdict, not actually that preferable. Doubly so criminal insanity as a juvenile, who are, yes, judged by different standards because their brains aren’t there, yet.
I suggest you learn something about developmental psychology.
I mean sure but they’re commonly referred to in US politics as left, and also consider themselves to be on the left.
Not my fault y’all’s overton window is fucked.
The draft is actually harsher for women than for men: Men can refuse service at arms, women can’t refuse medical service.
EDIT: Don’t believe me? Article 12a GG, Paragraph 4. There are no alternate service provisions for refusing medical service.
Before you judge them to be too bought-in how about starting to give a damn about their issues.
Tax break handouts are a slap in the face of the working poor: What good is a tax break when you don’t earn enough to pay taxes, or live a dignified life, in the first place?
Everyone but Hungary and Serbia? Though Serbia is also fickle because Russia’s annexation of the people’s republics legitimises Kosovo’s independence – if you can gain statehood unilaterally with a BS referendum, you can definitely do it with a proper one. Hungary will only last as long as Orban, and he seems to be past his prime.
Or where you somehow under the impression that Europe is standing by idly while the US is doing all the work? They’re providing surplus military equipment from their to-be-scrapped pile, that’s pretty much it.
You don’t know much about Europe do you, this was the final nail in the coffin of Atlanticism.
Western Europe, yep, there’s not much appetite for that. Southern, neither, Northern, I wouldn’t count them out, Baltics will look to the North, Central (without Germany)… basically the only reason Poland didn’t put boots on the ground yet is NATO.
The French might get involved for dignity’s sake, but on a backfoot – special forces, long-range operations. Also sending French MREs is always a good idea.
EDIT: Oh, Italy. Meloni hates Putin’s guts, the FDI may go in even without appetite because well the “post” in “post-fascist” doesn’t mean that they’ve got rid of fascists’ admiration for war, just the more obvious self-defeating aspects. Struggles of national sovereignty seem to be right up their alley. Greece is too broke either way and Turkey will be on Turkey’s side.
I’m sick of this denial of politician’s culpability for their policies. That said yes community organising is always a good idea, maybe the American left, doing that, will actually finally figure out why they’re not appealing to people who they should be appealing to. A left that isn’t popular with the lower classes is doing something wrong, and I’m not saying stop giving a fuck about racism etc, I’m saying start giving a fuck about class.
And nobody ever accused liberals of even appearing to give a fuck about the working man (literally). The whole Bernie factor was missing, the only Democrat who could actually rally that population – because he cared about their issues – just to be hit with the “Bernie Bro” cudgel. “Wait he appeals to men? Must be a sexist!”
A left that doesn’t care about class isn’t leftist. Worse, they’re not even realising that that’s why people go for other options because while the right doesn’t care about the proletariat either, at least they pretend to. The liberals created Trump.
Mostly they’re dried, including pod, the rest is genetics.
They are botanically nuts, though: They are indehiscent, meaning they do not open to release their seeds. They’re also fruit. It’s e.g. pine nuts which aren’t nuts because pine cones do indeed open and release the seeds. Of which you should roast a couple and mush up with a wee bit of garlic, a metric pound of basil, some salt, some proper hard cheese, and quantum satis good olive oil. Use a mortar the basil wants to get squeezed, pre-chop everything or you’re going to be there forever. Throw your pasta, shape is not that important as long as it’s bronze-cut, into a pan at lowish heat, put your pesto on top, add some of that pasta water (incl. the starch in there), the saponids in the garlic will help with emulsifying everything. Reduce very carefully you don’t want to denature the cheese.
I guess making a distinction, in the culinary context, between nuts and peanuts makes sense because allergy considerations, legumes are a class of their own there.