Oh and I know that I derailed any possible discussion about “Plants feel pain” before it ever came up. Because it doesn’t make sense even if it were true as the most number of plants get brutally murdered for a net negative system that if changed would murder a whole lot less of them.
Partially true and I know it but I don’t give a F anymore now the world has a government that’ll only speed up ecological demise. I feel veganism (or at least reducturianism) is a (albeit very small) chance to slow that down. Thanks for giving me the forum to spew my propaganda.
Partly true because you wrote the system is conserving resources where it really doesn’t. Most of the energy is transformed into non-conserving but destructive forces: GHGs, manure run-off, pollution. A whole lot of energy is used to grow the miserable animal and only a fraction of it is coming out in form of quickly perishable food.
I addressed the 2/3 crop calorie argument already in my previous post. That’s not what the original video was addressing. It was addressing the amount of crops (therefore land use, therefore number of rodents dying on harvest). Again your paper states we could ramp up the production of calories from plants just for humans and could feed some billion more people.
Animal ag is fucking up the planet. Deforastation, killing wild-life, pollution, GHGs, destruction of soils via plant mono cultures and water via run offs causing eutrophication and dead-zones, pandemics, eviction of indigenics. Not to speak of the constant suffering. It conserves nothing.
The study you posted states a logical conclusion in the sense of the self preservation our livelihood. See the last quote in my last post.
I understand that peoples jobs depend on it, that 2% vegans aren’t making a big impact and that rich as fuck capitalist pricks can accumulate billions and exploit low-wage workers and even immigrant children because of it.
You’re free to call it misinfo or propaganda but it’s the stuff I researched for 3 years I’m vegan now. Feel free to abstain from answering if you only want to beat a vegan. I probably won’t engage anyway bc it was all I have to say about it.
Nope. I’m not shifting anything. You were by changing the subject from crops to crop calories without taking into account humans can grow calorie dense foods on relatively small space opposed to animal feed which needs a lot crops, land and produces a lot of plant waste and in addition is inefficient because only a fraction of calories come out of the slaughtered being compared to the initial calories in plants.
All that while we cull millions of feeling beings in the worst possible way right now because of H5N1 (add that to the polycrisis) waste enormous amounts of resources for little protein and calories and destroy nature.
Here have a look at some frail vegans, while the world burns, mate:
The paper is from 2013. The number of animals in factory farming were ramped up since then.
Then: She says crops not crop calories.
“From the 41 crops analyzed in this study, 9.46 × 1015 calories available in plant form are produced by crops globally, of which 55% directly feed humans. However, 36% of these produced calories go to animal feed, of which 89% is lost, such that only 4% of crop-produced calories are available to humans in the form of animal products. Another 9% of crop-produced calories are used for industrial uses and biofuels[…]”
55% + 9% = 64% = 2/3
So you’re correct with the 2/3 crop calories(!) if we count the 9% biofuel/industrial stuff with it.
But why is the following?
“According to a 2011 analysis, 75% of all agricultural land (including crop and pasture land) is dedicated to animal production.”
I’d suppose it’s because of this reasons: A. Pastures need a lot of space which for which often woods or rainforest are burned and biomes are destroyed. B. Probably the most eaten vegetable (potatoe) is very energy dense and has a lot less waste by-product and therefore needs a lot less space than animal feed like soy, wheat or corn.
This is everything I need to know from your paper to say that the system of animal agriculture is fucked, wasteful and destroys nature and our health (not only because of the pandemics it causes):
“Put another way, shifting the crops used for feed and other uses towards direct human food consumption could increase calories in the food system by 3.89 × 1015 calories, from 5.57 × 1015 to 9.46 × 1015 calories, or a ∼70% increase. A quadrillion (1 × 1015) food calories is enough to feed just over 1 billion people a 2700 calories per day diet for a year (which is 985 500 calories per year) [1]. Therefore, shifting the crop calories used for feed and other uses to direct human consumption could potentially feed an additional ∼4 billion people.”
Pastures can be regenerated, btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/farming/comments/1ds3fvh/how_to_turn_pasture_into_a_garden/
Edit: The latter is what the “Vegan Land Movement” is doing very successfully by rewilding pastures to wild lands again where a wide variety of wild life is finding a refugium now.
You had me in the first part!
I just (I mean an hour ago) gave up on learning japanese via Duo Lingo. On and off for years but didn’t make considerable progress. I know about 20 hiragana symbols and a bit of vocabulary but I think I won’t ever grasp order of words or how they communicate without plurals or genders. It’s so different from germanic languages. I love the japanese culture but I just don’t have the time anymore.
I instead started spanish. After a few lessons Duo Lingo rated me as a super learner. Don’t know if it’s because they want to sell me a subscription but I really flew through the lessons (even when I had to type out the sentences). I’ll stay with it and will add dutch soon.
They were also responsible for the demise of the Jamaica coalition.
But with this traffic light coalition we got more sinister powers at play. Springer press (Welt and Bild) drove a 2 year long smear campaign against The Greens (especially Habeck and Bärbock). Behind that stands essentially the fossil fuel industry (KKR, Koch Brothers, Heritage Foundation, The Republic, BlackRock). We got one of the most stable energy grids in Europe, only import 2% of our energy and export in return to european neighbors when the massively build out renewable energy is producing to much. We’re not dependent on russian gas anymore. Broadband internet initiative is running (small villages get fiber now).
But yeah the automotive industry is struggling and Habeck already warned VW in 2019 that they have to invest in electric vehicles. Now they and suppliers plan massive employment reductions and closing of factories and everyone cries “The Greens are destroying the economy”. VW made 23 billion revenue in 2023, btw.
CDU will continue to enable the far-right AfD (who wants to actually disassemble wind turbines) and reap all the merits of the Ampel and then destroy it for deals with the fossil fuel industry. Once in a lifetime chance we had.
I’m german and since 2016 I learned a lot about the US political landscape, figureheads, voting systems, political events, media etc.
I don’t want to be condescending. It’s just l spent way to much time reading articles, watching us media and documentaries to let that knowledge go to waste, so…I’m pretty confident to say that voting 3rd party, no matter who, is a bad decision. This election even more as the long-time future of your country depends on it so much.
You probably heard of the main argument against 3rd party already, namely the winner-take-all system:
Imagine 1000 people in an election district. 500 are hardcore MAGAs hellbent on voting orange Mussolini. 400 are “Vote Blue no matter who”, 100 are “Both sides bad let’s force a system change”.
Ok got it? Mussolini wins. Even worse: he wins all of the electoral college voters of the district which unanimously vote the president. This pretty safe wasn’t a very accurate description and the numbers are purposefully skewed to illustrate the principle. But at the end this is it. Your whole presidential election system needs to be reformed to truly can be called fair, democratic and make every vote, even 3rd party, count. If you want to know it more specifically google “Duverger’s Law”.
I repeat: Every 3rd party vote is a vote for Trump. That is why the European Greens have just advised Jill Stein to suspend her campaign. MAGA did this by letting Robert F. Kennedy suspend his campaign and endorse Trump. They learned from 2016 that when 3rd party voter turnout was at a record high 6% that it made Trump president. 2020 was only 2% 3rd party voter turnout. Good for Biden.
This all is bad enough and all the neverending crimes against humanity in Gaza are horrifying but under Trump the genocide will get worse. To understand this I would have to deviate into the connection of the US radical evangelists, the Heritage Foundation and Trump as well as his shared interest with Netanyahu. Oh yeah you also will get the chance to watch the USA transform into its final form of a white, rich, male, christian hypercapitalist dystopia.
Hope you can see now how 3rd party could backfire gigantically. If you understood it after considering the facts again, don’t be angry with yourself. Just make sure you prevent others from making the same mistake these next 2 days when you see them walking into the same fatal trap.
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What does this even mean? I just quoted “Duverger’s Law” which is could be proved multiple times in plurality voting systems, especially in 2016 and 2020 in the US.
Also: David MF Duke from the MF KKK endorsed Jill Stein. Now go and ban me if you want.
Germany’s first time voters helped the far-right (Nazi) party AfD getting a lot of votes in the EU elections recently. AfD’s TikTok game (with Russia’s support) is very strong. Go figure.
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Yeah and now our industrial gas tanks are filled with non-russian gas, we got one of the most stable energy grids in Europe, we import 2% of our energy from other countries (0.5% from the nuclear power france) and export some of it on good days and energy prices & inflation rates are on a pre-2022 level. Thanks to the Green party.
Then we got rich populists like Merz, Söder, Linnemann, Spahn or Schäffler who are in close ties with the fossil fuel industry (The Republic, BlackRock, Heritage Foundation, Atlas Network, Heartland Institute, Koch Brothers) whose only target during their electoral campaigns are the Greens, immigrants and people on welfare payments. Blaming the Greens for political decissions they supported themselves while they were in power for 16 years (nuclear power exit, end of combustion engines, heating without fossil fuels and fricking bottle caps). Instead of working together with the progressives against the neo nazis from AfD they proclaim they’re the solution against their uprising by fighting against the progressives. Weimar Republic reloaded.
All while our political imbecile citizens are believing their talking points and the smear campaigns of “Welt” and “Bild” (funded by above listed networks) that the Greens will be our downfall. I would leave this stupid country if I had the money.
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Please listen to “Jung & Naiv”, Episode 733. Tilo interviews an ex-IDF soldier, now peace- and anti-occupation activist. You got a very skewed view about the goals of Israels far-right zionists.
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Dr. Sleep, the sequel to “The Shining” was a very apt adaption, too.
And don’t trust Kings own approval of the Dark Tower movie although Idris Elba and Matthew McConaughey were actually good casts. It’s was bad nonetheless. We could have had an 10 seasons series on par with Game of Thrones if it wasn’t for that movie.