Anything but trying to solve the underlying problems. Bonus: someone makes bank.
There’s literally no number of children that can die before reasonable action is taken.
It’s not the number that matters, it’s whose kids it is getting killed. If someone were to shoot up a school filled with politicians’ kids you’ll see some change rapidly.
When a dude’s gettin’ bullied and shoots up his school
And they blame it on Marilyn and the heroin
Where were the parents at?
And look where it’s at
Middle America, now it’s a tragedy
Now it’s so sad to see
An upper-class city havin’ this happenin’…
🤔 maybe
They sometimes are in normal schools, just under pseudonyms or not aiming for too much attention.
but its less likely to happen since private schools tend to be in wealthy areas, and is probably gated up. and PRIVATE school admins/rich parents are very quick to get rid of “problem students” aka “quiet dismissal but not outright expulsion”, a public schools wont do that, unless it becomes serious. i was in a sub about youtube channels owner(used to follow who sent thier kid to a private school, he was forced to leave because he was displaying aggressive behaviour from seizure meds, and the school was pressuring/ostracizing the students to leave the school, last i heard the kid sits at home and does nothing.)
I suppose it is better than thoughts and prayers… but avoiding addressing the root cause is all politicians do.
Pray for your drone overlords to suicide bomb the mentally disturbed with too many guns before it’s too late!
Just waiting for the reports of privacy violations, and noise issues, let’s just hope that’s as bad as this gets.
I actually saw a news segment on the demo, and they said they would be thrilled if they were able to put these in every classroom and never have to use it. Im sure you would, buddy…
✅ Don’t fix the underlying program
✅ Give $557,000 to a miltech company
We did it Patrick! We saved the city!Criminals have invaded the schools in lego city!
Build the attack drones!
“If you’ve got something that’s preemptive, that’s immediate, that’s already there, you just can’t kill that many people in 10 to 15 seconds,” Marston said.
That’s their bar? Killing people for up to 15 seconds That’s not so bad?
How much you want to bet it’s using AI to determine who the shooter is. How much you want to bet is capable of false positives…
How much you want to bet is capable of false positives…
Confidently wrong false positives, but only more than 60% of the time.
“The high-tech drones, which are piloted by a team of former military men and nationally ranked professional drone racers…”
former military men
Cops.
nationally ranked professional drone racers
Jimmy is one of the cops’ kids and needed a job. He’s nationally ranked #2863883.
Gotta learn to read between the bullshit 😁
In 15 seconds? There’s simply no way.
Oh… They might log into their account for the remote piloting app, making the drone deploy within 15 seconds.
But then they have to navigate the school manually and find the shooter. But have you ever tried to navigate a high school you’ve never set foot in before?
The main building has three flores (2, 3 and 4), between 1990-2015 they added the A, B and C buildings. A and B are on a hill, so A only has floors 1 & 2, B has floors 3 & 4. You have to go through the science building to get to the C building. Last year they added the L building next to the track. Weirdly L is right next to A (but it’s shaped like an L) also it’s not physically connected to the rest of the buildings, you have to cross the courtyard. The science building doesn’t have a letter, but it’s next to the gym, you can’t miss it.
Alright pilots, the shooter is in the M building pop up extension. Go get em.
And a short 45 minutes it’s all over…
But on the upside the drone fleet will always be monitoring and collecting data as far away as their little robot eyes can see
what a great use of tax dollars. I’m sure the super rich asshole who owns this drone company has no personal relationship with with the legislators supporting this BS whatsoever.
Of course you’re right to be sure of that. Their wife, however, or their school buddy…
How long until someone hacks one and terrorizes a school that way?
I’m sure that there are state-sponsored actors trying to do just that this very moment.
State sponsored actors? I’m 30% on that, 70% on one of the kids doing it. Maybe I have too much faith in today’s youth and their capacity for tech.
Maybe I have too much faith in today’s youth and their capacity for tech.
Sadly, I think maybe you do. 15 years ago, sure. Today, most of these kids aren’t using real computers. They grew up on Android or iOS devices, they’re using Chromebooks in school. They don’t actually know what a filesystem is, they don’t actually know what a network stack is. They’ve never just messed around with an os or pirated a video game.
I don’t think it’s the kids though, I guess I’m just pretty cynical about the current state of technology. It’s advanced a lot in the past couple of decades, but I’m not sure it’s really improved. It used to be that computers were a powerful tool that we could take advantage of, and they could make things easier and be a lot of fun to play with too. These days it feels like we’re the tools and the technology is taking advantage of us. And I think this generation that grew up on mobile devices has it the worst. Tech has really been able to sink its teeth into this generation, and they can’t escape it.
You say this, but there was that autistic kid that fucking hacked rockstar with a fire stick so hackers will always be around, but they probably always be the most autistic people you have ever met
It’s true, there’s always the exceptions, the edge cases. But if I’m thinking about this statistically, who’s likely to breach this first? How many hackers from column A are hammering on this, how many from column B? I just think state actors and corporate interests are in fact the thing to watch out for. There just seem to be much fewer gen z computer geeks than there were millennials.
Maybe Apple Computer colluded with the United States government dumb everybody down to keep themselves safe safer Who Knows lol
When you have a small elite, they don’t need to collude, they just develop a common climate of thought and common understanding of the future.
What pains me to think about - that these people are really brilliant for the most part, those whose names I know. Even Steve Jobs. And they were brilliant still for a few years after getting significant power.
That power still corrupted them, and this amount of “brilliant” is like a whole era, a whole phenomenon of humanity, being proven wrong.
Early 90s Apple is very nice to learn about, and early 90s Microsoft was powerful, but not evil yet, and early 90s Oracle was a really good company. And remember what Google was in its early years, they seemed the front line of the new age of openness and freedom. I won’t say anything good about early Facebook, but apparently it too managed to be good for someone.
So much for corporate propaganda.
Heh, maybe the problem started when they changed their name. They aren’t “Apple Computer” any more, they’re just “Apple”. That must have happened somewhere around 2005.
Autistic doesn’t equal genius.
Autistic special interest is not about knowing a subject well, it’s about fetish\fixation on that subject ; say, I’ve done a lot of fixing old AfterStep dockapps that don’t compile anymore, or programs from the 90s for X11, to reproduce the vibe of using a Unix-like system then. I still haven’t written a single Linux or FreeBSD driver. I haven’t even written a single Java program. BTW, found the old (Sun-era, judging by the icons and pics there ; old doesn’t mean obsolete for me, I’m fine with simple OOP and don’t need generics or lambdas or such, I know these are cool) “Java Tutorials” on the Oracle site and realized that those are almost as easy to use to make your own simple applications as TCL documentation, except Java is far more powerful (due to ability to use all the Java libraries around). And now I do know what I want to make, so the next weekend might not go in vain.
There’s genius (I dunno, someone like Wernher von Braun), there’s autistic (someone like me or your random strange kid, a real life Asakura Yoh), and there’s autistic genius (multiply the rareness of both and get the probability of a person being that ; I suppose the kinds of genius to make rare notable achievements are usually both, but not always).
Most kids are too fucking dumb. The blyats will do it.
Could be some incel hackers from 4chan. Like people who engage in swatting would like this.
Between this and AI generated apps, hacking is sooo back
can fly through double-paned glass
um, how
Also I wonder how long it will take before this tech gets used for situations other than mass murder events
Oh it’ll be used for mass murder events.
Just not preventing them.
If they can be hacked, school shooters can stay home and kill people.
Why hack them when the company that makes them will sell one to you?
They’re armed with a 300 blackout rifle they can shoot through the glass
You may ask yourself, "What is that beautiful drone?" You may ask yourself, "Where does that attack drone go to?" And you may ask yourself, "Is this right, is this wrong?" And you may say to yourself, "My God, what have we done?!"🎶letting the days go by … something something let me drown… 🎶
And we’re ignoring that radio control is a vulnerable technology
Or that someone could shoot the drone.
Entities hiring private drone security to fill in for demonstrably unreliable police is so cyberpunk
I just hope your constitution protects drone rights.
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a drone swarm is a good guy with a drone swarm.
Murrka yippekayeee mothafucka or something like that (never been on that continent).
Dunno about you but i’ve seen robocop
It’s frightening that this is the state of gun ownership in the US, and that the companies making the poison are probably now also selling you the cure. But all things considering, this might actually be a useful application of the tech.
Sure thing, buddy, corporations, and police forces and governments never overreach or do things they’re not supposed to do or get hacked or have crazy fucking leaders telling them what to do, I want you to think about what you just said and tell me again if it’s a good idea https://youtu.be/O-2tpwW0kmU
I literally prefaced it with a bunch of skepticism, and yes, I could have added potential misuse. If you just want to argue for argument sake, Reddit is a better place for you.
Yes instead of actually tackling the problem let’s give the tech bros more money to solve it.
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how indoctrinated do you have to be to dismiss the wish for less gun violence as agenda pushing? You 2A nutjobs are almost as delusional as MAGA trumpeteers, sucking corporate dick which would be more than happy to unload a 9mm in your back if it helps their profits even slightly
Second amendment nut job. Ahahahaha ok. I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about but you clearly don’t know either so I guess I’m OK
you are reading a news article about how schools have to use unmanned robots to fight school schooters and are defending the practice of the second ammendment by trying to discredit the concernes of a US citizen, you are indeed a gun nutjob
Argue with idiots and they will bring you down to their level. goodbye
all out of discussion points so you run away? You rightwing populists are not better than your TACO lmao How about you enter a debate with me based on facts? Running away won’t solve anything in your life, take that as a life pro-tip free of charge
If this gets any visibility, I do have some familiarity with the weapon on board.
They call it a “pepper spray bomb” but more accurately pepper spray is generally not what your want because it sticks to walls. The “pepper” in the spray is an oil and imagine cleaning an oil off walls and stuff. If it gets into ventilation you will be breathing it for a week afterward.
No, what’s on board these is probably Pava Powder. Think Baby Powder, but s p i c y. Pava has many of the same reactions as pepper sprays, coughing, watery eyes etc. But it works better IN enclosed areas like hallways and enclosed spaces. Prisons love this stuff for incidents bigger than like 3-5 people. It can be packed into a paintball, and works in normal paintball guns (it also comes in a 40mm grenade featuring timed release!) Pava is much easier to clean, you just have to have good ventilation, as it will dissipate normally. It also doesnt trigger allergies like pepper spray can, and all it takes is a nice shower to wash yourself of it. Its really a great choice for the intended settings in which it is often deployed.
In a mobile form like drones, I can’t see the drone loading more than 10 balls due to weight, and if you’ve ever been paintballing you’d know 10 ain’t shit. A normal paintball hopper holds about 80, and for pava powder you need to score a fair number of hits or just paint a hallway with them to reach effective saturation. If each drone can hold 20-30 maybe it becomes feasible. It only takes a couple to actually do the work, but in a prison theres nowhere to run. You sit and take that accumulation. But school hallways can be 14 feet wide or more and a shooter has access to the entire building, so any misses simply…miss and begin saturating an area the shooter is leaving.
The alarm on the drone giving the shooters position away is a great touch.
Thats the fact side of things, opinion wise? Man we will do anything but fix the problems. These drones and pava are a great uh…answer for the locale, but it doesnt answer why you have a problem you need a prison grade solution. Pava dissipates into the air and its not that hard to begin to choke on your own breath. A deployment of these will give away the positions of students in adjacent rooms to the shooter. And you can fight it (you can fight pepper pray too), it’s just a matter of willpower to fight through choking air. It also guarantees a shooter will attempt to relocate in the building to outrun the pava clouds. Unless theres a way to quickly reload these drones in their ceiling mounts, the low ammo count is going to get them to fire around the halls, and will be more of a deterrent and could be effective at getting a shooter to stay away from populated rooms than actually subduing them and getting them to surrender. The alarm however i like at face value acting as a clear warning for where the shooter is at that moment. A drone following the shooter giving their position away is a fantastic solution if we aren’t going to address actual shootings.
7/10 nonlethal solution, with some side effects. I like the idea but the obvious workarounds like a mask, and causing entire rooms to start coughing and alerting the shooter to empty/full rooms, on top of the shooter wildly taking shots at the ceiling to kill an alarming drone causes a host of additional issues. For the pricetag the school could hire like 3 off-duty cops who do their job when a shooter arrives. So thats also a factor. We could also like…address mental health issues or access to firearms but this is America where we pray for evil things to stop rather than actually adressing it so, that wasn’t an answer anyway
the only things this shit is going to do is waste money and prevent law enforcement from entering schools in a timely manner. They would just start sitting back and letting the drones “secure the area” before they move in. It would do a lot to help cops be bigger pussies than they already are though.
prevent law enforcement from entering schools in a timely manner
But law enforcement doesn’t enter schools with active shooters. It turns out, law enforcement doesn’t have any obligation to protect the public at all (legally).
It does open the door for excuse making, and i wouldn’t be surprised to find out the maker of the drones has a lobbyist “suggesting” their brand to this school and then pocketing the half million.
https://www.transparencyusa.org/tx/lobbying/client/mithril-defense-inc
mithril defense is the company that makes the drones
Saint Luigi don’t fail me now
Why do people having nothing at all to do with Tolkien’s values pick up his names?
It is similar to why cowards like to talk about honor?
Mithril…Palantir…hm. 🤔
What a shithole country.
When will they hit a student? It’s not a matter of if, but when. This is so fucking idiotic.
I mean it fires pepper spray bombs. Even when it does its job correctly, and hits an assailant, it is a wide area weapon that takes time to dissipate, particularly in an enclosed space. It will almost certainly effect other people to some degree, including those fleeing.
I don’t have a problem with pepper bombs being autonomously fired on an armed assailant, in itself, by which I mean it’s better than an autonomous pistol firing slugs into “assailants”. I would even accept some minimized-as-much-as-possible risk that it incorrectly targets the wrong person with pepper spray if they are not in immediate danger. The problem will be when the pepper bombs slow down those fleeing or divert them towards the gunman or leave someone incapacitated and unable to flee or sense danger, and hinder emergency response teams, school staff, or other individuals trying to rescue kids. A clever gunman with a gas mask could even use the drones to corral victims into easy targets. It’s just not a reliable fix to the problem and creates opportunities for whole new problems.
