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The worst thing about Linux is its users
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It is taking me forever and a day to transition… but I hope this weekend I will finally install Linux mint on my laptop… get the hang of it. Then transition to using it on my big ass desktop.
Did you do it? :)
I tried. I had a problem. It wouldn’t boot from my flash drive. I remember having a problem to similar to this previously… I might need a new flash drive…
Edit: long answer… I am actually hauling my ass to do it now.
Props for seeing it through!
SUCCESS!
As of writing this comment, I have installed Linux Mint (cinnamon, latest version) on my laptop. I am in the process of updating stuff and figuring stuff out. I will need to make sure I can play all my games and do all the stuff I do before moving onto the big one: My ultra fancy desktop machine that I paid thousands upon thousands of dollars for.
The problem was the USB. A long time ago I had issues with my computer and I needed to reinstall windows from a USB drive. I learned that you can’t use any old USB and it has to be a decent USB. I ordered a new one (not expensive. It was very cheap, but it was a Sandisk) and it worked brilliantly. Now it is time to actually learn to use it properly!
Awesome!
I wasn’t aware that you can’t just use any old USB either. All I know of is a size minimum, because obviously all the data needs to fit. What other requirements are there?
It is weird, and I am not sure why it works or not. I noticed it years ago and I only remembered when my attempts were frustrated this time. I wish I knew what caused it or not. Basically what happens is when you try to boot from the USB, it shows the menu and all that, but it just doesn’t proceed. Like when I used my cheap-ass USB that I got from a dollar store (they no longer sell USBs there) it stalled at the linux mint start up logo. I gave it all the time it needed, but it just froze. When I used my brand new fancy Sandisk, it only took a few seconds to move past it. I will be using THAT USB for my desktop, but I have some backups to make before doing so.
And yes, I am writing this comment from my linux mint laptop. I finally will have more privacy on my comp.
Definitely weird. I’ll try to keep it in mind for when a USB drive won’t boot for me. Thanks for sharing, and I’m wishing lots of success with your new Linux machine :)
“I wish I wish upon a star for a multi billion dollar monopoly to self-regulate”
About 15 years ago I gave Linux a try, liked it and showed it to my wife who is less technical than me. She said she found it nicer than windows so I put it in the common computer and never looked back.
You can find as many excuses not to use Linux as I can give you reasons and solutions to try it… at the end of the day, try it, don’t try it, it’s your decision and you get to live with the consequences of those decisions. Me evangelizing about Linux is just as painful as hearing Window users complain about it yet unwilling to do anything but whine about it
If you do give it a try and have an issue, there are plenty places to get help for Linux better than the MS forums, this is undeniable.
Also, notice Windows is like bumper cars while Linux is like the entire vehicle fleet of the world, you want to drive a tank, you got it… wanna drive a super car, got it… wanna drive a hot air balloon that moves on good wishes, Linux has one distro just like that… you probably should not learn to drive in a Ferrari when you are late for work, choose a beginner friendly distro and move on from there at your pace if you feel like it
This. To many people who “just want to use” a computer, the OS in the background won’t make much of a difference, but linux makes it easier for the one maintaining it.
Lots less of us maintainer types than user types. User types like to pay for someone to fix it and buy a new one when that fails. There’s no enlightening them. When more pc’s come as Linux from the store and there is better support for a unified installer the real uptake won’t happen.
I don’t want Linus Torvald spying on me through my computer, either! /s
don’t worry, it would be Richard stallman
gcrowdstrike bricks my machine faster and more efficiently than the closed-source version
I don’t know how to feel about this. Because the intelligent guy is totally me, but I also recognise that Linux is in no shape for a non tech literate person just to jump into.
You could install Mint on your mother’s computer and don’t tell her, and she’d probably still think she was using Windows until it came time to install new software. Linux For Normies has come a long way, especially recently. It could be ready for mass adoption very soon, if not already.
until it came time to install new software.
That is the big giveaway. I used the term “It’s free” too many times when setting up software for them. “I used to have to pay for all of that.”
I just installed Linux mint on my laptop… and fuck me, it is easy as all hell to use. Made me wonder why the hell I took so long to do it! I’m doing some backups on my desktop in order not to lose anything important (and save time) while installing it on my PC… I intend to format my old drive as I move on. So-long Windows!
I do like Mint, but now I’m thinking Bazzite might be better for a beginner or average user because all those configurations and default apps/packages meant to make gaming easier also trickles down to having things “just work” for a casual average PC user. 🤔
I am going to mint.
I’m writing this on Bazzite right now, it’s awesome, works great, and it’s true that the preinstalled apps and scripts are really useful for someone coming over from Windows… but not just for them! I’ve been a Linux user for maybe a couple of decades now and I find them very useful.
I agree. My mom has been running Mint for 9 years with no problems. My tech illiterate friend who has an nvidia gpu on the other hand needs a lot of handholding. He would never be able to make a transition on his own.
Yup. Linux + Nvidia is the problem here. I convinced my friend to move to Linux, explaining that all his favorite Steam games work on my Linux machine with no issues, just download and click play, tested it myself. Turns out, I don’t have an nvidia gpu, he does, and a lot of the games straight up don’t work, and the ones that do need at least one config change, if not more.
I have yet to have any issues on Steam myself when gaming with my Radeon card.
Times have really changed, especially in the past five years. Even completely tech-agnostic people use GNU/Linux in my family. Reason is “Because it just works.” no more Windows installing things that you hate. No more advertisements in the start menu or file manager. No more screenshots every five seconds. No more Windows slowing down the computer gradually. A relative’s computer was unusable because of Windows, because it has slowed down the computer so much that the start menu took 10 seconds to open. All she did was her net banking, text editing and some very light photo editing. Ever since switching to GNU/Linux, her computer works again normally. And all of the tech questions about weird things like programmes randomly not starting have disappeared.
Also, nowadays you really never have to touch the command line. You can use an App-Store-like experience to install your programmes, just like you would on a phone. It also handles all updates automatically. This alone makes it such a better, “normie” operating system than Windows. Hit “update all”, and it updates all of your packages for the system, the kernel itself, drivers, the apps themselves, literally everything. Because try explaining grandma, she needs to update the system, then the drivers, then every single application separately. Now you can tell Grandma instead: “Press this button and wait for 20 minutes.”
The difference is night and day. Old computers work normally again. You don’t need such overkill configurations like most Windows computers have to just run your text editing on net banking. By now it is objectively better.
If you’re new, just use one of the many pre-configured options. No need to tinker with your system if you don’t want to. Just install one of the literally hundreds “just works” distros that package everything for you.
Lastly, I’m going to say it is no exaggeration if I say installing GNU/Linux has solved literally every single issue people in my family had with computers. Because now it just works. No bloat, no nonsense. Just a computer.
Edit: typo.
I find the “it just works” line ironic.
Because that’s usually what Windows has going for it. Meanwhile any Linux distro I’ve tried so far has me search for how to install a specific thing and try 5 different results, because of course the command to copy&paste on the first few doesn’t work. Doesn’t help that most sites and people tell you to install software this way instead of using some software centre / app store where you just click on an install button.
That’s not my experience at all ,there’s nothing about windows that “just works”. If feels like two or three different systems badly stapled together.
Windows arguably is, indeed, two or three different systems stapled together. There’s the C code kernal bits, the .Net runtime higher level bits, and the Electron “this didn’t need to be fast anyway and we only knew how to write JavaScript” bits.
I don’t know about you, but unless you’re downloading a programm made for Windows 95, you can install anything without any trouble on Windows. Meanwhile Linux needs you to run a bunch of commands every time and half the time the commands from the download page don’t work because they’re for some specific distro only and you gotta look up different ones.
I don’t know what’s so difficult about going to the app manager, searching for the app and installing it. It’s a thousand times easier than on windows plus everything is neatly updated automatically
I find the windows update and Linux graphical updater processes identical. They only diverge at the end when the Windows one fails with a mysterious error message and offers to retry or open a troubleshooter that won’t work.
Software and games.
No matter some people claims, there are always software/games that simply won’t run on Linux or no alternative available.
The newer updates to Wine are making that less relevant.
I only play competitive online. Kernel anti-cheat does not work on Linux.
Kernel anti-cheat does not work on Linux
And hopefully never will.
Please keep the spyware on the spyware operating system.
I’ve been a Linux user nearly exclusively) for over 20 years, I still keep an iPad and a windows desktop around for government stuff because the their apps and websites don’t work on my hardened systems (sus) or through TOR (less sus).
I would switch to Linux in a heartbeat if it ran all the programs I use. And yes, I know about wine, but it’s still not all there yet. Thankfully there are more and more programs I use that now run natively in Linux, so I still have hope.
if it ran all the programs I use
Got ya fam: don’t use the programs that don’t run on linux. UR WELCOME
Sorta unironically. My partner and I have just started switching to other programs.
This is how I do it. Emacs has everything you need.
To quote an old joke. Emacs is a good operating system, the only thing it lacks is a good text editor
As someone who considers themselves a “Linux-evangelist” and has run it exclusively on my devices for years, I really despise that the goto method for recruiting others is to shit on other OSs and claim that Linux beats them all. Whilst you’re not wrong and all your arguments are true, nobody wants to listen to that.
The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it. Alot of people really just liked it, but where more open to adopt since they arrived at the conclusion on their own, instead of being force-fed it.
Just today I had to explain to a coworker how I grew to love Linux because I was hating Windows, I don’t hate Windows because I love Linux. And I don’t want to hate Windows, I wish they were slowly becoming anti-user, but they keep adding (forcing) features that are so unfriendly to the user.
I had to help someone figure out why their new storage drive wasn’t showing up, and it was because Windows has something called “Storage Spaces”, turning “unused” storage drives into a sort of virtual raid local One Drive. It’s a neat idea, but it hides the physical drive from File Explorer and Disk Management. That should be a feature you have to intentionally configure and enable, not something that can just happen automatically.
I grew to love Linux because I was hating Windows, I don’t hate Windows because I love Linux. And I don’t want to hate Windows, I wish they were slowly becoming anti-user, but they keep adding (forcing) features that are so unfriendly to the user.
Yes. If Windows was still like Windows XP, I don’t know if I would have ever switched. It used to be fun, not soul sucking.
There’s lots of other reasons I’m glad I switched, of course.
I give out live usbs like they’re candy (to friends who are Linux curious)
I think it highly depends on the person. I have never been a ‘brand loyal’ type person. It was very likely Linux users clowning on Windows and OS X that got me interested enough to check it out.
I do believe you though, some people even if you simply try to correct their misconceptions about Linux get super defensive. It’s like Stockholm Syndrome, but for OS’s.
The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it.
I think the Steam Deck is helping in this area. People turn on ‘Desktop Mode’ just to try it and see that it’s not some scary esoteric thing, but basically works just like Windows or Mac.
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