• WuTang @lemmy.ninja
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    11 months ago

    I really hope israel will loose their wildcard and be accountable for all this shit. Just remove their privileges!

    • Blackmist@feddit.uk
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      11 months ago

      It’s hard to go against them in the West.

      The right hate Muslims so side with Israel.

      The left hate to be called antisemites, so hand-wring over civilian deaths, but ultimately side with Israel.

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      11 months ago

      Just lovely how everybody is forgetting that Hamas is responsible for this all. They can end it any time they want, release the hostages and surrender, but they chose not to.

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        11 months ago

        Just lovely how everybody is forgetting that Israel is responsible for that.

        Everyone can always blame someone else, especially in this conflict. It’s time for Israel to grow up and take responsibility for its actions. They have caused harm, anger, and hatred by using terrorism (fear and violence) to enforce their rule over people. Somehow we (the US and most of the west) provide them with resources and weapons though. How fucked up is that?

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          11 months ago

          Hamas has launched in the realm of 7000 rockets at Israel civilians since October 7. But hey, keep blaming it all on Israel. Lets make antisemitism cool again, you are doing your part already.

          And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.

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            11 months ago

            Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense. How can you read an article like the OP and just be completely empty inside? How broken are you?

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              11 months ago

              Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense.

              For one, they don’t.

              And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.

              But keep listening to that Hamas propaganda it’s totally not rotting your brain away.

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                11 months ago

                An alternative? There are infinite. They can start cooperating and make a good will gesture of returning occupied lands back to the Palestinian people. They can stop colonizing and murdering innocent civilians (which isn’t only just now happening, it’s constant in occupied lands). They can loosen restriction on travel between Gaza and Israel.

                The solution is to improve relations with the people. Attacking them and killing civilians only causes more hate, which causes more violence. It isn’t defence. It’s genocide. They get Hamas to attack and they get to kill more Palestinians.

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                  11 months ago

                  They tried that, didn’t work, each time they were meet with more Hamas terrorism. What’s your second suggestion from the pool of infinite alternative?

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      They won’t. The extermination of Palestinians has been a stated goal of Israel and its allies for decades.

      They’re not going to be punished for pulling the trigger.

      • SCB@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        This is the full transcript of the recording between an Israeli IDF officer and a resident of northern Gaza

        “Hello?”

        “Muhammad?”

        “Yes”

        “How are you?”

        “Yes”

        "This is an officer from the IDF calling you. For your own safety I’m asking you to go to Khan Yunis as fast as possible "

        “Where to?”

        “In the direction of Khan Yunis. ASAP. I don’t want you to put yourself at risk, that’s why I’m telling you to go there.”

        “All the roads are blocked”

        “Where you are right now isn’t safe, you need to… blocked where? Who blocked it? Hamas?”

        “Yes”

        “What?”

        “Yes, that’s correct”

        “Where did they block the road?”

        “At Salah ad-Din”

        “Salah ad-Din?”

        “Yeah”

        “How did they block it?”

        “They’re just forcing people to go back home”

        “Are they putting cars on the road? Police cars or…”

        “Yes yes”

        “How exactly? Explain it to me. Please, did you see it with your own eyes?”

        “In a car, people are going south and they’re just bringing them back home”

        “How did they block the road?”

        “They’re shooting at people”

        “Shooting what? Are they shooting at people that want to leave?”

        “Yes yes yes”

        https://twitter.com/ItayBlumental/status/1717466384794300882?t=7HRQJ5h29HRlfhN1fCl3mQ&s=19

  • Sanctus@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    If concessions can not be made to save these lives even with the entire world watching, then I do not want to hear falsehoods about caring for human rights.

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      11 months ago

      I’ve been very cautious to reserve the word “Genocide” because I didn’t want to devalue it with hyperbole. For years, I’ve said that Israel is ethnically cleansing historic Palestine. But reading this article… I think this is the point where it becomes genocide, full and proper.

      It’s shocking to bear witness to.

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      11 months ago

      Yeah, why don’t the Palestinians give up and just accept being ethnically cleansed? I mean, they’re Arabs why don’t they just move in with the other Arabs, they’re all one big homogeneous group, right?

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          11 months ago

          And if they are not let back in who will hold Israel accountable? Many of the people being bombed refuse to leave their homes for this very reason (as well as the south getting targeted by bombs/no shelter/no supplies either way so might as well keep whatever semblance of dignity they have left). They don’t trust Israel to allow them to return home due to historical precedent.

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              11 months ago

              Tell that to the people that refuse to leave their house due to what I previously described. The last election in Gaza was in 2006. The average resident of Gaza was about 1 year old at the time. This conflict did not start yesterday. The Gazan population does not trust the international community to protect their right to return and they sure don’t trust the Israelis.

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                  11 months ago

                  Right now, civilians don’t have a choice to leave the warzone. That’s intentional thaks to Hamas, Netanyahu, Egypt, Jordan, etc.

                  Ftfy

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                  11 months ago

                  You can’t carpet bomb civilians then blame a country for not accepting 2 million refugees. Leveling the sector with air strikes is not a requirement.

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          11 months ago

          If it was any other country your argument would be substantive. But we are talking about Israel and Palestine. Anyone who leaves will not be able to return. That’s how it’s always been. And for the Palestinians, their land is their existence. They will not give it up. They know the second they leave, it’s been lost.

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      11 months ago

      Because then they risk becoming the target of what Israel buys with the 50 billion dollars Joe Biden just sent to them.

      Edit: if to of

    • Bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world
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      11 months ago

      Because the neighboring countries did that in the past in various forms and it fucked them all up in some manner. These are not normal people. They’re twisted by decades of living under war or terrorist rule. Their population is so young because everyone old died that half the people alive never actually experienced a stable life. They know nothing but this. As a result they are really hard to integrate.