• RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz
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    18 days ago

    You don’t have to have formal pact or alliance in place to pledge to declare war in case of another country is invaded. You don’t have to have an agreement in place to share intelligence to them, such as the secret protocols or about the negotiations, etc etc. They could’ve done more.

    Goebbels even tried to blame one such massacre on the Red Army, Katyn, despite the spent ammunition clearly being marked as produced by Nazi Germany in 1941.

    Oof. Soviet Union already admitted to Katyn massacre. Time to let this conspiracy theory go.

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      18 days ago

      So your point is that the Soviet Union should have fought the Nazis there and then, without formalizing alliance with the west who made it clear that they wished the Nazis and Soviets would kill each other? You would have had the Soviets commit suicide for Poland, rather than trying to close their industrial gap with the Nazis as much as possible and align with the west? This is incredibly silly.

      As for Katyn, it’s more intentional mistranslation, there was admittance of prisoner transport. None of this explains why the execution method was the exact same as the Nazis, in Nazi territory, with Nazi bullets manufactured during 1941.

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        I’m saying they could’ve threatened to. USSR, France, UK all declaring war at the same time because of the invasion would’ve been a better deterrent than just France and UK, especially since it would be war on both sides.

        As for Katyn, it’s more intentional mistranslation, there was admittance of prisoner transport. None of this explains why the execution method was the exact same as the Nazis, in Nazi territory, with Nazi bullets manufactured during 1941.

        http://archive.government.ru/eng/docs/10122/print/

        https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-04-14-mn-972-story.html

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/26/russian-parliament-guilt-katyn-massacre

        It’s been admitted to many times. It’s no error.

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          18 days ago

          This is incredibly silly. The Soviet Union had no strong alliance with western countries, even after Britain and France declared war they did jack shit other than a naval blockade. After the Soviets went into Poland, Britain finally extended diplomatic talks of an alliance. The Soviet Union was rapidly industrializing, but was behind Nazi Germany and needed firm acknowledgement of a real alliance.

          As for Katyn, the bullets were Nazi-produced in 1941, the grave was “found” by Nazis, the rope used was German produced, the execution method was the same as the Nazis, and Goebbels was the one who started the story. The anti-communist government in Russia “admitted” to doing it, but material evidence directly points to the Nazis doing so.