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Slow news day huh?
I guess we should celebrate that RAM is the only component not being scalped by its manufacturers, just not too loudly
Everyone needs ram and cpus and other general things so it’s in their interest to reduce cost and produce a lot. Stuff like enthusiast gaming GPUs have a relatively niche audience with niche buying habits which is why companies tend to get away with exploiting that.
It’s in our interest. It’s in direct conflict with their interests. Enthusiast GPUs aren’t the only product selling for the highest price they can get away with, almost every component is, including even non-enthusiast GPUs
It’s nothing to do with gamers and everything to do with AI data centers at this point. But if you can hold out a little longer the used market will be absolutely flooded with them when the AI bubble pops. Even the king of AI Sam Altman has acknowledged it at this point.
Nvidia has a monopoly on good gaming GPUs, there is no competition, so the prices are high.
This is lemmy. Most of us use linux. And Nvidia support is so bad distros literally have Nvidia specific builds.
And they still suck running on nix
I fucking ran out of memory yesterday playing Oblivion Remastered with 5 Firefox tabs open.
32GB ddr4 3600 kit!
I’m fucking upgrading next week!
Linux.
My Comrade in Lenin, I was on Bazzite
Shit, really? RIP my wallet on my next build.
It isn’t already? Even my new work laptop came with 32gb of ram. In windows at least 16gb is useless before you even try to launch a game.
A corporate work laptop is a far cry from what the average consumer buys and builds.
As far as 16BG being useless, you’re spot on about windows being a problem.
Yeah it’s definitely windows. But I don’t have a choice on my work laptop. The old 16gb model became a nightmare after swapping to windows 11 and moving to using teams. That combination just killed it dead.
So I gather this is just about people who are building PC’s and not about developers actually needing or actually utilizing more than 16 GB of ram.
Of course that doesn’t account for Windows 11 bloat out the ass and why if you ask me, now’s the best time to start the migration to Linux gaming.
I’ve got 64gb RAM on my machine but the highest I’ve seen it was 36gb on arch. (City-sim game running + 20 YouTube tabs.
I was able to stick to 16GB on my Windows 11 gaming VM for ages. Only recently cracked because I was using the OBS replay buffer that was using 2-4GB so I upped to 24GB.
I would never recommend somebody build a new gaming system with less than 32GB now though since you will need an upgrade at some point. If you’re already running 16GB then it’s probably fine to just wait until you do a full re-build.
That said, 16GB is probably the new standard for normal PCs if you’re hoping to get 5 years out of them.
I’m already considering switching to 64, I hate having to close everything to fire up games.
How much shit do you have open??
I have multiple chrome windows open with a shitload of fans, excel, word, even other games, and I still haven’t run out of memory for any game with 32gb.
About a dozen docker containers and two vms… I really need a dedicated server.
I have an utterly insane number of browser tabs and windows open constantly with several virtual desktops set up with programs, multiple instances of some, and I don’t come close to 32 even when I’m running the most demanding games in my library.
What programs are you running that starve you for so much RAM?
There’s only a couple games that even recommend 32GB as recc spec as far as I know. Hogwarts legacy is one. Games with a ton of mods and texture packs can eat up a ton of RAM, is that your challenge? Outrageously modded Skyrim and Minecraft?
Trying to figure it out and maybe help you diagnose if it’s actually something else. I don’t think any normal setup will be helped with more RAM than 32GB for gaming at this point, at least not that I know of.
Chrome is using 12GB right now, and I’ve got 8GB allocated between two VMs, and another 3GB to Docker. So of my 32, I’m currently at 9GB before I launch a game. Plenty of games want more than that.
Even after working with servers with hundreds of GBs of RAM it still amazes me how much RAM you chew through running even a small number of VMs. I built a new machine to do VMs and run a gaming VM with GPU passthrough not long ago and am already considering jumping from 64GB to 128GB on the host.
Ok, the VMs make sense, I guess. Out of curiosity what are you running in them?
Have you considered using FF instead of chrome as your daily driver?
RAM is pretty cheap right now. We’re in that weird spot where last gen (DDR4) is getting more expensive and DDR5 has gotten way cheap. Regardless of your setup it’s a good time to buy if you want to upgrade. Saw another post where you talked about getting a dedicated server. Sounds like that’s optimal but RAM is cheap.
Not sure what you’ve got running that’s virtualized but a cheap mini PC could likely handle all that for not much more than the RAM, or the same cost if you find a good deal. And then you’re not stuck with a ton of RAM that won’t serve you super well in the long run (I don’t think we’ll be looking at 64GB RAM as a standard until we’re well into DDR6, but I definitely could be wrong).
The vms are for home assistant and a linux distro with a gui. Docker is hosting a bunch of workflow, database, and ai related stuff.
I’m using a laptop, so swapping to 64GB means a pair of 32gig sticks for like $300. It’s likely a better choice to offload the work to a dedicated server, I can probably put together something for less than twice that cost.
Without knowing specifically what your AI requirements are I wouldn’t swear on my following, but you can set up something easily for the same cost of your RAM with new components, and way cheaper if you go used.
32GB mini PCs are right around $300 on Amazon with lazy searching, which means you can find them in the $250 range if you look, and they’re cheaper if you want to go lower RAM and no OS. If you have a TV then all you’d need is an HDMI cord and a keyboard+mouse, or none if you go headless. You won’t need a monitor because you wouldn’t be gaming on it.
But if you’re going to set up dedicated hardware I’d suggest buying some server gear for better reliability in the long term. You’ll still be in the $200 range to start, it’s so cheap to get your first rig and make mistakes and figure out what you want later. This link has tons of lists of hardware you could put into a very capable server with price estimates. It’s primarily NAS/service hosting focused so again, ymmv with AI requirements, but for base hardware that you can spin up some VMs and containers you’re in business with 8-16GB and a mobo that supports ECC.
Pretty much the system ram : vram ratio should be about 2x to have some wiggle room(both for OS and other things running in background). most of previous gen GPU have 6~8G vram thus 16G is kinda standard. But now with GPU heading toward 12~16G as standard(for non-flagship), 32G would be better so game can hold more things in system ram before they stream upload to GPU.
