I am not an American and I might be wrong about this so feel free to correct me, but what was it that Trump actually did that was so terrible? Sure he talks about weird shit but what makes him worse than say Biden right now?
It reminds me of that Zizek line where there are two types of bosses one of them is the old style boss that makes you know he is in charge and is obnoxious af, the second pretends to be your buddy and has small talks with you and tells you how you are all one big family but still fucks you harder than the first boss. The first boss makes his authority known and doesn’t appeal to some ideological ideal that masks things and is ultimately easy to oppose as is apparent by how Trump went down. The second boss is devious and you have to make the additional step of uncovering what’s beneath
There are so many answers to this but the most egregious of all is trying to overthrow the democratically elected government through any and all means. Shouldn’t be hard to understand.
Oh yeah, we’re really lucky he’s an idiot in addition to being a boorish liar who only gets idiot lackies to work for him. He might have actually overthrown the government.
What I am saying is that it’d be great if US people had 1 percent of this zeal when speaking against actual war crimes that Biden is condoning. But of course at least he mostly knows how to speak so let’s just all keep focusing on Trump for another year or so.
Ok that’s a fair point. But I see him used as a kind of scapegoat that masks what is happening now. No matter how fucked are US policies now some would day “at least it’s not Trump.”
There was never a chance of him overthrowing anything tbh. The riot that happened are kind of a joke and they didn’t even know wtf to do once they got inside so they just took selfies. It’s a terrible look of course but I don’t think there was any great danger given what it would take to actually overthrow a government in the US.
It was not just a riot. It was a (thankfully failed) insurrection. He wanted to delay the counting of the electoral votes, maybe never count them at all. And if that failed, he and his minions plotted to put fake electors in place to get the votes of blue states thrown out. He pressured the VP to ignore the constitution and declare him president via the fake electors. Had Mike Pence had a little less integrity, it would have worked.
Trump’s loose lips that shared secret information with foreigners. We lost many operatives around the world following his spillage of state secrets.
It’s the stealing and refusing to return top secret/compartmentalized documents. It’s 91 federal indictments related to all the above. It’s the fact that he’s under indictment in more than one state.
If none of that is enough for you:
He dismantled the US pandemic rapid response centers, sentencing many Americans to death when Covid hit. He downplayed the virus, attacked the surgeon general & mocked him, refused to wear a mask or take any precautions at all. And he led close to half the country with him, causing Covid to hit us much more severely than it could have. He suggested using bleach and light internally as a cure.
He drew on a map with a sharpie, to show us all where we should make a hurricane hit.
He’s a vindictive man who delayed/withheld aid to California after devastating wildfires because they had not voted for him. “If they don’t like me, I don’t like them.”
He is a man who acts like a toddler with the vocabulary of a third grader…a truly stupid man with mob-like tendencies.
He’s aligned himself with white supremacists.
He’s bragged about seeing teenage girls nude in the miss teen america dressing room. He has bragged about kissing women without their permission, of grabbing them by the pussy, talked earnestly about how big his newborn daughter’s boobs would get, talked about how he’d date her if she wasn’t his daughter, cheated on all his wives, buried one of them on a golf course, failed to maintain the burial site…just to save a couple of tax dollars.
He fleeced the elderly and uneducated of this country by giving them fake coins and dollars in exchange for donations. He stiffed contractors and lawyers by failing to pay them after they’ve earned their pay.
He is, at best, a pig who lusts for power and if he gets it back, he’ll not willingly let go.
So it’s not just a joke riot. Trump did actual damage and is continuing to do so today by holding the entire GOP by the balls.
Scapegoat??? Maybe look up that term means. He’s the cause of much of the shit and continues to be. He spews hate and lies, so much that a large percentage of the population actually doubts the 2020 results.
And what if just a few more people had went along with him? What if Pence threw out the votes? What if Barr went along with his story that the election was stolen? What if the rioters had gotten to the Representatives on Jan 6th? Might that gallows have been used? How many more would have went along with the lie just to avoid being caught up in violence?
The world and the US have a lot of problems completely unrelated to Trump, but he made none of the problems better, many worse and created some of its worst unlike any other president in history.
Because of what he says or because of what he does though? Trump said all kind of crazy shit but I don’t see him as quantitatively different from what is happening now. The truth lies in what is done not what is said and the entire facade of word plays. My contention is that Biden is so much worse while actually knowing how to dress things up in a diplomatic and politically correct way. I’d rather have someone speak bullshit than have politically correct destruction of the middle east
With this as the foundation, I can make a lengthy comment to refute what you said but I think it would be helpful if you took the time to read these and compare. Trump was just not good at his job.
personally, i think mocking disabled people, being bigoted, denying that a disease exists leading to thousands of preventable deaths, starting an attempted coup, and rape are all pretty bad. conservatives have different views on morality tho 🤷
I am not an American and I might be wrong about this so feel free to correct me, but what was it that Trump actually did that was so terrible? Sure he talks about weird shit but what makes him worse than say Biden right now? It reminds me of that Zizek line where there are two types of bosses one of them is the old style boss that makes you know he is in charge and is obnoxious af, the second pretends to be your buddy and has small talks with you and tells you how you are all one big family but still fucks you harder than the first boss. The first boss makes his authority known and doesn’t appeal to some ideological ideal that masks things and is ultimately easy to oppose as is apparent by how Trump went down. The second boss is devious and you have to make the additional step of uncovering what’s beneath
There are so many answers to this but the most egregious of all is trying to overthrow the democratically elected government through any and all means. Shouldn’t be hard to understand.
He’s also under 90 felony indictments for fraud and espionage
I am not defending Trump in any shape or form. I am saying there are more devious ways to authorianism happening right now
Oh yeah, we’re really lucky he’s an idiot in addition to being a boorish liar who only gets idiot lackies to work for him. He might have actually overthrown the government.
What I am saying is that it’d be great if US people had 1 percent of this zeal when speaking against actual war crimes that Biden is condoning. But of course at least he mostly knows how to speak so let’s just all keep focusing on Trump for another year or so.
What’s the weather like in your reality?
Ok that’s a fair point. But I see him used as a kind of scapegoat that masks what is happening now. No matter how fucked are US policies now some would day “at least it’s not Trump.” There was never a chance of him overthrowing anything tbh. The riot that happened are kind of a joke and they didn’t even know wtf to do once they got inside so they just took selfies. It’s a terrible look of course but I don’t think there was any great danger given what it would take to actually overthrow a government in the US.
It was not just a riot. It was a (thankfully failed) insurrection. He wanted to delay the counting of the electoral votes, maybe never count them at all. And if that failed, he and his minions plotted to put fake electors in place to get the votes of blue states thrown out. He pressured the VP to ignore the constitution and declare him president via the fake electors. Had Mike Pence had a little less integrity, it would have worked.
Trump’s loose lips that shared secret information with foreigners. We lost many operatives around the world following his spillage of state secrets.
It’s the stealing and refusing to return top secret/compartmentalized documents. It’s 91 federal indictments related to all the above. It’s the fact that he’s under indictment in more than one state.
If none of that is enough for you:
He dismantled the US pandemic rapid response centers, sentencing many Americans to death when Covid hit. He downplayed the virus, attacked the surgeon general & mocked him, refused to wear a mask or take any precautions at all. And he led close to half the country with him, causing Covid to hit us much more severely than it could have. He suggested using bleach and light internally as a cure.
He drew on a map with a sharpie, to show us all where we should make a hurricane hit.
He’s a vindictive man who delayed/withheld aid to California after devastating wildfires because they had not voted for him. “If they don’t like me, I don’t like them.”
He is a man who acts like a toddler with the vocabulary of a third grader…a truly stupid man with mob-like tendencies.
He’s aligned himself with white supremacists.
He’s bragged about seeing teenage girls nude in the miss teen america dressing room. He has bragged about kissing women without their permission, of grabbing them by the pussy, talked earnestly about how big his newborn daughter’s boobs would get, talked about how he’d date her if she wasn’t his daughter, cheated on all his wives, buried one of them on a golf course, failed to maintain the burial site…just to save a couple of tax dollars.
He fleeced the elderly and uneducated of this country by giving them fake coins and dollars in exchange for donations. He stiffed contractors and lawyers by failing to pay them after they’ve earned their pay.
He is, at best, a pig who lusts for power and if he gets it back, he’ll not willingly let go.
So it’s not just a joke riot. Trump did actual damage and is continuing to do so today by holding the entire GOP by the balls.
Scapegoat??? Maybe look up that term means. He’s the cause of much of the shit and continues to be. He spews hate and lies, so much that a large percentage of the population actually doubts the 2020 results.
And what if just a few more people had went along with him? What if Pence threw out the votes? What if Barr went along with his story that the election was stolen? What if the rioters had gotten to the Representatives on Jan 6th? Might that gallows have been used? How many more would have went along with the lie just to avoid being caught up in violence?
The world and the US have a lot of problems completely unrelated to Trump, but he made none of the problems better, many worse and created some of its worst unlike any other president in history.
Have you ever listened to the guy? In no other country on this planet would he be in charge of anything.
Because of what he says or because of what he does though? Trump said all kind of crazy shit but I don’t see him as quantitatively different from what is happening now. The truth lies in what is done not what is said and the entire facade of word plays. My contention is that Biden is so much worse while actually knowing how to dress things up in a diplomatic and politically correct way. I’d rather have someone speak bullshit than have politically correct destruction of the middle east
I dont think you will get an answer. Here is a list of accomplishments and actions under Trump while in presidency. You can compare that to Biden.
With this as the foundation, I can make a lengthy comment to refute what you said but I think it would be helpful if you took the time to read these and compare. Trump was just not good at his job.
personally, i think mocking disabled people, being bigoted, denying that a disease exists leading to thousands of preventable deaths, starting an attempted coup, and rape are all pretty bad. conservatives have different views on morality tho 🤷
For a little while, I was afraid he might nuke some innocent country or start WW3. I was surprised at how light his had was on the wheel.
I largely agree that he talk shit but does little. Not nothing, but he could have done much worse, IMHO. Mostly bark and a little bite.