If you don’t acknowledge the difference between war and murdering someone in cold blood without warning, then there isn’t any point continuing this conversation. Also I hope for your sake that you don’t cross paths with anyone who thinks like you do, but has different opinions.
Yeah well that’s a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn’t work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn’t a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.
They fought a war against an opposing army, not by assassinating people exercising their right to discuss opinions and ideas. In fact they fought FOR the right to have opinions and ideas and to express them. They thought it was so important to protect that right, that they put it into the bill of rights, which specifically states that the right to free speech transcends government. The government that they wanted could only exist if people could freely exchange ideas without fear of being murdered (or imprisoned) for them. That’s why its a particularly bad example.
They fought a war against an opposing army, not by assassinating people exercising their right to discuss opinions and ideas
Of course it’s morally superior to kill a conscript (the British army was largely comprised of conscripts) than it is to kill a propagandist who advocates for political violence. /s
In fact they fought FOR the right to have opinions and ideas and to express them.
Utter rubbish. The war was instigated over matters of taxation and trade.
They thought it was so important to protect that right, that they put it into the bill of rights
It was so important that it was left out of the Constitution and had to be submitted as a bill to amend the Constitution.
Hardly sounds like the defining cause of the rebellion if they forgot to put it in their foundational document the first time around.
Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it’s a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it’s a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It’s not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.
Does a good person call empathy a weakness? Does a good person say some gun deaths are totally acceptable for the 2a? Does a good person dogwhistle about minorities and cast blame on trans people for things they didn’t do?
You’re either woefully stupid or trolling. You should think before you type either way. Occam’s Razer should require some thought.
Should his (possibly) millions of his supporters also die? Should they preemptively start killing people they view as threats to them? You know, since some people are saying that they should die for their opinions… you see how this goes? It’s not hard to see how a zero sum game ends without any winners. That’s why you have to compromise by at least not killing each other.
You know they’re TRYING to do those things you said, right? Why do you think they keep mentioning trans people every chance they get along side bad news?
You realize “there are people out there saying others should die for their opinions” IS CHARLIE AND HIS KIND, right?
You are utterly and completely missing the entire point of the paradox of tolerance… Charlie Kirk and his ilk are ALREADY fomenting intolerance. They’re ALREADY planting the seeds of violence. Me noticing it and saying, “yes, these vile actors deserve to be stopped, even if it comes to the worst option” IS NOT the same as them inventing boogiemen like trans/gay/etc people out of thin air.
They WANT people to get violent towards innocents, and are doing many things to try and make it happen. Jist look how they practically celebrated the Pulse nightclub shooting… That makes them a valid target. These ARE the despicable people you’re so afraid of. Why can you not see it?
Our citizenry is headed right toward authoritarian dystopia. I think what we have in store is worse than death. If you were trans and black right now, you would not defend them. They are causing anxiety and suffering, and they absolutely do not care about the Genocide in Gaza. This surveillance state, widening inequality, constant war, rampant racism, homophobia, and everything else they are doing will destroy us all. We have no future. That is sick to me. Psychopaths win every time. These will too. I am just holding off until I need to die.
You can’t murder your way into democracy.
…where do you think most democracies came from?
They must’ve been… Immaculately concieved.
Not from murdering people who speak their opinions.
What do do think Civil wars are then?
Those aren’t about murdering fellow citizens because of what they say.
That’s news to me.
Because Civil wars are fought between fellow citizens and usally about positions those people have espoused.
If you don’t acknowledge the difference between war and murdering someone in cold blood without warning, then there isn’t any point continuing this conversation. Also I hope for your sake that you don’t cross paths with anyone who thinks like you do, but has different opinions.
Dude says hateful shit for years and gets popped. He had enough time to repent.
You’ve crossed paths with people like me if you have ever left your home.
You are delusional.
Lucky for you I’m not like you then, with how you feel about murdering other people for their opinions.
Tell that to France.
Yeah well that’s a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn’t work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn’t a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
Facts don’t care about your feelings.
The irony of using the American revolution to justify murdering people for speaking their opinion…
You claimed it is impossible to murder your way into democracy, I gave you an example of people murdering their way into democracy.
Shifting the goalposts to be about ‘muh freeze peaches’ is weak.
No your example is just really really bad
What’s wrong with the example? The revolutionaries killed until they were able to establish a democracy, directly refuting your claim.
They fought a war against an opposing army, not by assassinating people exercising their right to discuss opinions and ideas. In fact they fought FOR the right to have opinions and ideas and to express them. They thought it was so important to protect that right, that they put it into the bill of rights, which specifically states that the right to free speech transcends government. The government that they wanted could only exist if people could freely exchange ideas without fear of being murdered (or imprisoned) for them. That’s why its a particularly bad example.
Of course it’s morally superior to kill a conscript (the British army was largely comprised of conscripts) than it is to kill a propagandist who advocates for political violence. /s
Utter rubbish. The war was instigated over matters of taxation and trade.
It was so important that it was left out of the Constitution and had to be submitted as a bill to amend the Constitution.
Hardly sounds like the defining cause of the rebellion if they forgot to put it in their foundational document the first time around.
The infrastructure for democracy is already there. It’s just been shelved temporarily by the current admin.
Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it’s a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it’s a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It’s not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.
This is just the trolley problem. If you can save 5 people by killing 1, is it correct to do so, or take no action?
Well, we’ve got lots of people taking no action, and look where that’s got us.
You don’t get to just kill people that you suspect are evil. This isn’t some complicated ethical dilemma.
suspect? rofl! Charlie was evil. Unquestionably.
Does a good person call empathy a weakness? Does a good person say some gun deaths are totally acceptable for the 2a? Does a good person dogwhistle about minorities and cast blame on trans people for things they didn’t do?
You’re either woefully stupid or trolling. You should think before you type either way. Occam’s Razer should require some thought.
Should his (possibly) millions of his supporters also die? Should they preemptively start killing people they view as threats to them? You know, since some people are saying that they should die for their opinions… you see how this goes? It’s not hard to see how a zero sum game ends without any winners. That’s why you have to compromise by at least not killing each other.
OK woefully stupid it is, then…
You know they’re TRYING to do those things you said, right? Why do you think they keep mentioning trans people every chance they get along side bad news?
You realize “there are people out there saying others should die for their opinions” IS CHARLIE AND HIS KIND, right?
You are utterly and completely missing the entire point of the paradox of tolerance… Charlie Kirk and his ilk are ALREADY fomenting intolerance. They’re ALREADY planting the seeds of violence. Me noticing it and saying, “yes, these vile actors deserve to be stopped, even if it comes to the worst option” IS NOT the same as them inventing boogiemen like trans/gay/etc people out of thin air.
They WANT people to get violent towards innocents, and are doing many things to try and make it happen. Jist look how they practically celebrated the Pulse nightclub shooting… That makes them a valid target. These ARE the despicable people you’re so afraid of. Why can you not see it?
Tell that to Charlie. He advocated for that actual fucking reality.
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Dude you are sick
Our citizenry is headed right toward authoritarian dystopia. I think what we have in store is worse than death. If you were trans and black right now, you would not defend them. They are causing anxiety and suffering, and they absolutely do not care about the Genocide in Gaza. This surveillance state, widening inequality, constant war, rampant racism, homophobia, and everything else they are doing will destroy us all. We have no future. That is sick to me. Psychopaths win every time. These will too. I am just holding off until I need to die.