• VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
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    As much as many of us would welcome it, the reality is that the new MAGA country would declare war on us immediately.

  • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I don’t think that’s such a bad idea. The richest states are blue, the poorest states are red. The entire country is a failed state already, might be good to start with a clean slate. And doing that without the need of a bloody revolution sounds good to me.

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      The richest states are blue, the poorest states are red.

      But the richest parts of the bluest states are bankrolling this administration. California’s Silicon Valley is awash in fascism. New York’s Staten Island has an enormous base of Trump support. Washington’s Amazon, Microsoft, and Beoing C-levels are all in the tank for this administration.

      Also, there are plenty of wealthy red states - Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Georgia are all in the top 10 by GDP. There are plenty of poor communities in these big red states that are disproportionately liberal.

      There are plenty of purple states that can’t be divided by trivially. What do you do with a Pennsylvania or Virginia or Wisconsin, with a divided government and regular partisan swing?

      The entire country is a failed state already, might be good to start with a clean slate

      This wouldn’t be any kind of clean slate. Everyone would still be carrying their political baggage with them.

      And much of the economy of these states is interdependent. Water rights from the Mississippi and Colorado run through divided turf. California and New York both need access to ports along the Gulf Coast to operate solvently. “Fly Over” states like Iowa and Nebraska produce giant food surpluses. We still need all our transcontinental rail networks, highways, and airlines to function as state level economies.

      This isn’t a baby you can just split down the middle

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    Anyone under the delusion that splitting a country can be peaceful should research any split since the idea of nationalism took hold. India and Pakistan are still the odds on favorite to kill us all with a nuclear winter.

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      This reminds me of the spike in cellular biophoton emissions during mitosis.

      Biophoton emissions, basically a faint glow of light emitted by living cells due to metabolic processes, increase sharply at the moment a cell replicates into two cells. It appears as a flash if observing these emissions.

      There is a lot to learn about our ideal society by observing our biological processes. The human body is a good example of a functioning mass-scale social substrate. The representative sample that guides the body is billions of neurons. Considering a human body has around 37 trillion cells, and roughly 170 billion brain cells (86 billion neurons + 85 billion non-neural brain cells), that gives us around a 200:1 representative sample. For every 200 cells, there is 1 representative.

      Fascinating, isn’t it? Dunbar’s number states humans can only keep track of a limited number of relationships. That number is a cognitive limit of around 150 stable relationships that we can keep track of. The limit’s range has been stretched to 100 - 250 stable relationships.

      In other words…the ratio of brain cells to other cells is nearly the same as Dunbar’s number. It is reasonable to conclude, then, for a functioning society (because human bodies are far more functional than our planetary society), we need to have a ratio limit on representation. That limit is 200:1. For every 200 people, we need 1 representative.

      For the US, for example, with 347 million people, a stable government would need 1.7 million representatives. Sounds crazy, doesn’t it, compared to the ass backwards mechanism at play now? But think about it for a bit, and you will find why it is so stable.

      That is too many people for an elite to control. It is too many to be corrupted. It adds redundancy. It adds direct accountability, each rep would have a personal relationship with their people, because it is within the Dunbar limit of what they can keep track of.

      Something to think about.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
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      States would have to be split as well, and random chunks of states. And soon as anyone says, “how do we split up the national debt” people would say huh, impossible to split.

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      I’m not aware of any major strife between Czechia and Slovakia. I may have missed it. It would obviously be harder in the US, where the divide is more urban vs. rural than regional, but I wouldn’t say it’s never been done.

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        I’m not aware of any major strife between Czechia and Slovakia

        Czechoslovakia was a combination of two historically distinct ethnic groups, so there was relatively little “sorting” during the partisan in the wake of the USSR’s collapse.

        Compared to the break up of Yugoslavia or the “Two State Solution” in Israel, it was utopian. But that’s a hold over of the pre-WWs ethnic make up of these regions. You don’t have anything like this in the much more internally diverse and mixed populations of the US.

        Furthermore, over the last five years, the high rate of undocumented immigration and smuggling has lead to Czechnia tightening its border. We may see a rise in ethnic nationalism create friction in the future.

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    Split into the conservative leecher states and the progressive earner states? How will they finance their new conservative utopia? Hate only feeds you that long…

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    Nah. I personally am enjoying watching the Republican farmers suffer. It is cathartic to see them cry. It is a sliver of joy in my heart to watch them beg.

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    As neat as it sounds, the logistics would be a nightmare. Remember, Republicans don’t follow the rules, so encouraging Democrats to leave the south is easier than having Republicans leave the west coast for example. They want things to affect us, not them.

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    You know, if you guys stop being so goddamned violent, everyone would be very safe.

    JFC, this isn’t rocket science.

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    People in economically productive cities: “does this mean we can do a gun control?”

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      And stop sending our tax revenue to unappreciative red states who just take take take, and then whine about it while offering nothing of value.

      If the US balkanized along party lines, it wouldn’t even be months before they revert to a scavenger society carrying out raids on border towns, and begging bleeding hearts in blue cities for charity.

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    She’s right. It’s not safe. Good thing her side gets all the deep red, gun-loving terrorists who’ve committed all of the recent atrocities. I’m sure her new country will be really safe with all those people in it.

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    Well, looks like Putin’s 4D chess worked even better than he could have anticipated. The US want to dissolve themselves now. Crazy how the world changed in just 10 years.

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      It’s not at all crazy- it’s been happening for two generations in slow motion with warning signs along the way. Literally everyone watching has been telling you you have been on this exact path for about 30 years.

      You responded with “shut up, you’re America’s hat,” renamed french fries, and gradually got shittier from there.