The perpetual advice to Democrats is that moving rightward will solve all their problems. But look where the party is at the moment: already embracing Republican affect and policies, yet still losing.
They propose removing money from politics, taxing the rich, paying for everybody’s healthcare including dental, and enshrining bodily autonomy rights in law.
some of them propose some of that some of the time.
Removing money from politics is not a party goal.
The party was never behind m4a, just some individuals
they’ve never attempted to enshrine bodily autonomy rights in law even when they were in power. They just campaign on it then forget as soon as the election ends.
FYI that user is incapable of seeing any of the obvious flaws in the dnc. Especially if it is related to any of the times dems have compromised with gop on terrible bills or policies
He’s actually for the horrid GOP bills when Democrats sign off on it. Or they wrote it because the same lobbyists pay for both parties. But horrid bills are good when Dems do it.
DNC haven’t had more than 48 senators in ten years and haven’t had supermajority since a 60 day period after 2010 only if you count independent caucus otherwise not since 1979. Right now they have 45.
The DNC haven’t capitulated, they’ve wrung minor victories like blood from a fucking stone while not having the power to actually do anything aside from filibuster the worst of it all.
You think expanding healthcare to another 50 Million People, outlawing refusal of coverage based on pre-existing conditions, is right wing? AND THAT WAS WATERED DOWN VERSION WE NEEDED TO GET THE INDEPENDENTS ON BOARD. You’ve lost your damn mind.
We’ve had this conversation before. They literally used Romneycare as the base for the ACA. The biggest reason ACA is hated is the parts pulled from it. Also why gop can’t replace ACA because it’s already their solution
Excuse me, I asked if you thought expanding healthcare to 50 million people, outlawing refusal of coverage based on pre-existing conditions, is right wing?
Performative acts, like biden on the voting rights bill, they tried to introduce it and the senate filibustered and biden said aw shucks. No fight on any issues, no threatening federal monies to be rearranged to encourage support, no digging dirt and disgracing some of tje worst.
When they say “reverse citizens united” that means removing money from politics. It would also gut AIPAC at the same time. It’s absolutely a core policy stance.
Every single DNC in 2010 voted for the Single Payer healthcare, but Independent Joe Lieberman was the final vote needed to bypass the Republican Filibuster because every single Republican voted no. Joe had us water the bill down. We don’t even need to test the DNC on this, we literally already have and they all passed.
You can’t even read the comment you’re arguing against? DNC had 48 for over a decade, they literally could not at any point pass a constitutional amendment which would effectively empower the GOP’s two biggest boogiemen: trans people and abortions.
Show me in their platform where it says they still support that. Show me any recent serious party wide efforts. Show me in kamala harris’ 2024 platform.
You don’t have to pass constitutional amendments to pass laws. They could introduce bills even if they don’t pass and campaign on them.
They do the bare minimum to trick people like you into thinking they give a single fuck about you. I’m sorry, but that don’t. The Democrat party is owned by wealthy interests that unlike the Republicans are smart enough to give the working class enough crumbs to keep society from collapsing, but that’s not enough to energize people to vote anymore because life just keeps getting harder and harder for the average American even when they’re in charge.
All that isn’t to say that people shouldn’t vote for a corporate dem when it’s that or a republican, but you’re completely blind if you can’t see that there are real problems with the party that are contributing to their losses.
It’s also been a stated goal during campaigns for literally every DNC I’ve ever seen, and it’s been a constant political battle for over 15 years with bills being constantly introduced.
YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEY WANTED TO PASS THE THING WHICH THEY VOTED TO PASS?!
They do introduce bills like that, all the time. A recent one was 119th Congress “H. R. 12 - To protect a person’s ability to determine whether to continue or end a pregnancy, and to protect a health care provider’s ability to provide abortion services” which is mainly about women’s right to choose but it also explicitly mentions the rights if LGBTQ healthcare as one of the casualties of the reversal of Roe V. Wade by Republican stacked SCOTUS. It was never called to vote by the Republican Speaker of the House. Link Here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/12/text
The problem with arguing with you people is it’s easier for you to ask these questions and make random shit up than it is for me to provide this evidence. I hope you left this conversation more informed than you entered it because otherwise it’s just been a waste of time.
All that isn’t to say that people shouldn’t vote for a corporate dem when it’s that or a republican, but you’re completely blind if you can’t see that there are real problems with the party that are contributing to their losses.
People, including YOU, are contributing to the problems we face by coming in here with no other purpose than to shit “constructive criticism” all over the Democrats. The next election won’t be decided by whose policies are the best or worst, it won’t be decided by those of us who want to make the party better and are taking actions towards that goal, what will decide the election is whether or not people are energized and excited to vote for the DNC like they were in 2020 and in 2008.
You can fix a minority party all you like, but what we need right now is to remove the GOP at any cost.
Touche, though passing a constitutional amendment as the method is a pipe dream, and you’ll have to forgive me for not really believing they mean it given how many of them are completely governed by special interests.
They don’t get credit for something they did 15 years ago and have completely backed off on.
Ok why didn’t that do that when they controlled the house? Oh yeah because it’s something they only do to drive engagement and never act on when they actually have the power to.
Bodily autonomy was a protected right by the 14th Amendment as of the Roe V. Wade decision until in June 2022 Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization overturned it. After it was overturned the DNC had control of the house until the 2022 midterm election but only narrowly held a 50:50 Senate WITH HELP OF CAUCUSING IND. Since abortion is a core policy stance for Republicans they would fillibuster it at ever opportunity and last I checked the 48 seats they had, the most they have held in over a decade, is less than 60 needed to bypass fillibuster. The DNC could change senate rules to remove fillibuster, but then the GOP still held more seats and the fact that Independents Manchin and Sinema are both the real moderates while Angus King does his own libertarian thing means they might have sided with the GOP on key legislatures, putting us in an even worse position than we are right now.
Abortion rights (and everything else that was a constant campaign point for both the rs and ds) were hanging by a thread on supreme court decisions for years and years. They had decades to actually legislate them.
Perhaps if they had changed the filibuster rules in 2010 they could have done something about it. Otherwise, there have been no opportunities, we need more seats.
2010 was 15 years ago, They haven’t done or said shit Since then on healthcare, and what they ended up producing was a fucking handjob to the insurance companies. They refuse to confront drug companies, Healthcare companies, or trusts operating in every sector of the economy.
2010 was the last time they had power, they’ve had 48 or less senate seats for over a decade.
Blame Joe Lieberman for the handjob but at least we got the preexisting conditions protections that has had those companies seething and malding ever since.
That ignores them not fighting, so long after the fact I do not care to describe once again what I mean by that, but I should not have to describe to you how to play politics. We need strong leadership and we have not had that.
Everything continued to get worse so why don’t you give it a rest. If pretending like these Democrats were doing a good job worked we wouldn’t be in this position. Stop trying to bully everybody into anything like this is an acceptable job.
some of them propose some of that some of the time.
FYI that user is incapable of seeing any of the obvious flaws in the dnc. Especially if it is related to any of the times dems have compromised with gop on terrible bills or policies
He’s actually for the horrid GOP bills when Democrats sign off on it. Or they wrote it because the same lobbyists pay for both parties. But horrid bills are good when Dems do it.
According to the dems never put out bad bills, only gop introduces bad things 🙃
Never ever, just don’t ask who wrote and voted in KOSA, censoring American internet “to protect the kids”.
Or voted for the patriot act, or Iraq war or more recently to not renew child tax credits
And they still don’t understand ACA was rebranding of Romneycare
There wouldn’t be terrible GOP bills if we could get people to support the DNC and remove those GOP from office.
There’s been multiple times the dems have capitulated in negotiations before the negotiations have started.
If there was no gop we’d still get terrible bills from the right democrats
DNC haven’t had more than 48 senators in ten years and haven’t had supermajority since a 60 day period after 2010 only if you count independent caucus otherwise not since 1979. Right now they have 45.
The DNC haven’t capitulated, they’ve wrung minor victories like blood from a fucking stone while not having the power to actually do anything aside from filibuster the worst of it all.
It’s amazing how the only period you ever reference is when with a short super majority only managed to implement Romneycare.
Biden was a moderate, Obama started leaning progressive but quickly ran to be a moderate, both Clinton’s more on the right than moderate, etc.
You think expanding healthcare to another 50 Million People, outlawing refusal of coverage based on pre-existing conditions, is right wing? AND THAT WAS WATERED DOWN VERSION WE NEEDED TO GET THE INDEPENDENTS ON BOARD. You’ve lost your damn mind.
We’ve had this conversation before. They literally used Romneycare as the base for the ACA. The biggest reason ACA is hated is the parts pulled from it. Also why gop can’t replace ACA because it’s already their solution
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/23/451200436/mitt-romney-finally-takes-credit-for-obamacare
Excuse me, I asked if you thought expanding healthcare to 50 million people, outlawing refusal of coverage based on pre-existing conditions, is right wing?
Performative acts, like biden on the voting rights bill, they tried to introduce it and the senate filibustered and biden said aw shucks. No fight on any issues, no threatening federal monies to be rearranged to encourage support, no digging dirt and disgracing some of tje worst.
When they say “reverse citizens united” that means removing money from politics. It would also gut AIPAC at the same time. It’s absolutely a core policy stance.
Every single DNC in 2010 voted for the Single Payer healthcare, but Independent Joe Lieberman was the final vote needed to bypass the Republican Filibuster because every single Republican voted no. Joe had us water the bill down. We don’t even need to test the DNC on this, we literally already have and they all passed.
You can’t even read the comment you’re arguing against? DNC had 48 for over a decade, they literally could not at any point pass a constitutional amendment which would effectively empower the GOP’s two biggest boogiemen: trans people and abortions.
They do the bare minimum to trick people like you into thinking they give a single fuck about you. I’m sorry, but that don’t. The Democrat party is owned by wealthy interests that unlike the Republicans are smart enough to give the working class enough crumbs to keep society from collapsing, but that’s not enough to energize people to vote anymore because life just keeps getting harder and harder for the average American even when they’re in charge.
All that isn’t to say that people shouldn’t vote for a corporate dem when it’s that or a republican, but you’re completely blind if you can’t see that there are real problems with the party that are contributing to their losses.
It’s also been a stated goal during campaigns for literally every DNC I’ve ever seen, and it’s been a constant political battle for over 15 years with bills being constantly introduced.
YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEY WANTED TO PASS THE THING WHICH THEY VOTED TO PASS?!
They do introduce bills like that, all the time. A recent one was 119th Congress “H. R. 12 - To protect a person’s ability to determine whether to continue or end a pregnancy, and to protect a health care provider’s ability to provide abortion services” which is mainly about women’s right to choose but it also explicitly mentions the rights if LGBTQ healthcare as one of the casualties of the reversal of Roe V. Wade by Republican stacked SCOTUS. It was never called to vote by the Republican Speaker of the House. Link Here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/12/text
The problem with arguing with you people is it’s easier for you to ask these questions and make random shit up than it is for me to provide this evidence. I hope you left this conversation more informed than you entered it because otherwise it’s just been a waste of time.
People, including YOU, are contributing to the problems we face by coming in here with no other purpose than to shit “constructive criticism” all over the Democrats. The next election won’t be decided by whose policies are the best or worst, it won’t be decided by those of us who want to make the party better and are taking actions towards that goal, what will decide the election is whether or not people are energized and excited to vote for the DNC like they were in 2020 and in 2008.
You can fix a minority party all you like, but what we need right now is to remove the GOP at any cost.
Abortion rights (and everything else that was a constant campaign point for both the rs and ds) were hanging by a thread on supreme court decisions for years and years. They had decades to actually legislate them.
Perhaps if they had changed the filibuster rules in 2010 they could have done something about it. Otherwise, there have been no opportunities, we need more seats.
2010 was 15 years ago, They haven’t done or said shit Since then on healthcare, and what they ended up producing was a fucking handjob to the insurance companies. They refuse to confront drug companies, Healthcare companies, or trusts operating in every sector of the economy.
2010 was the last time they had power, they’ve had 48 or less senate seats for over a decade.
Blame Joe Lieberman for the handjob but at least we got the preexisting conditions protections that has had those companies seething and malding ever since.
That ignores them not fighting, so long after the fact I do not care to describe once again what I mean by that, but I should not have to describe to you how to play politics. We need strong leadership and we have not had that.
You’re saying the most productive congress in our lifetime did nothing? You simply live in an alternative reality.
Everything continued to get worse so why don’t you give it a rest. If pretending like these Democrats were doing a good job worked we wouldn’t be in this position. Stop trying to bully everybody into anything like this is an acceptable job.
Hmmm Everything continued to get worse after we stopped giving DNC more than 48 seats for a decade. I wonder what the cause could be. /s
I don’t even know what you mean there. Giving the DNC more than 48 seats in what?