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    16 hours ago

    If signal pulls out of Europe we’re in a pretty fucked state. Apps like signal will be reduced to operations it a few fringe countries eventually

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      Signal is nice because it has a pretty good adoption rate even with non techies (which is why they’ve been mentioned by name in the chat control proposal). But privacy enthusiasts will still have briar/simplechat/xmpp. Those aren’t centralised like Signal and will be a lot harder to regulate

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        ChatControl 2.0, if passed means your entire device is backdoored so it doesn’t matter what apps you installl, they can get your info pre-encryption

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            Custom roms is your best bed

            Didn’t know they come with sleeping facilities. They’re so versatile nowadays! SCNR

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            It’s great as long as you can guarantee that the person you’re communicating on the receiving side does the same. Otherwise it’s useless as your messages will be read on the receiving device. In practice it will make private communication extremely cumbersome and niche.

            Also, the authorities can backdoor your custom ROM device at will, when seized.

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              Steganography. There’s more than one way to protect your communication.

              And encryption in transit is better than no encryption at all (assuming the baddies don’t already have full access to your phone data).

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        You won’t be able to install those apps soon after Android bans sideloading of apps that aren’t signed, or bans sideloading of apps that are not from the playstore itself.

        What then?

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          I don’t think privacy enthusiasts use vanilla Android. People will stick to Lineage/Graphene for as long as it works and then switch to something like Postmarket. It’s already in a state where it’s rough but usable.

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            14 hours ago

            Europe: Companies can’t lock down your operating system.

            Also Europe: Companies must force back doors into their operating systems.

            I wonder how long those two things can coexist.

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              Well, Google’s current behaviour is already putting the future existence of F-Droid into question.

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                We need FOSS phones badly and in numbers that manufacturing isn’t horrible. That is until our governments force carriers not to connect them.

                If I could find a reasonably priced 8" Linux tablet, I’d sell my phone and buy a cellular wifi AP.

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            Yes, but not everyone they want to talk to will go through that effort. It’s already hard enough to convince someone to download another messaging app that they will only use with you.