A senior Hamas official on Thursday accused Israel of flouting the ceasefire by having killed at least 24 people in shootings since Friday, and said a list of such violations was handed over to mediators, Reuters reports.

He said:

The occupying state is working day and night to undermine the agreement through its violations on the ground.

The Israeli military did not immediately respond to the Hamas accusations. It has previously said some Palestinians have ignored warnings not to approach Israeli ceasefire positions and troops “opened fire to remove the threat”.

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    “Step one”? “Deal”?

    I’m talking about the imposed ‘peace plan’ with 20 points. Here’s what’s supposed to happen after the hostages are released:

    1. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

    Currently we’re at the point where there’s a handful of dead bodies left, probably in collapsed buildings or tunnels. Do you think that that Hamas found the magic loophole that lets them stay in power while they turn ‘step one’ into some neverending archeological adventure?

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      The 20 point plan was never agreed to by anyone. Trump proposed it. Hamas agreed to release the hostages; surrender control of Gaza to a body of Palestinian technocrats.

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          That has nothing to do with what was actually agreed on. And not one of these red countries speaks or has the license to speak for Palestinians in Gaza; I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove here.

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            Yes people who are not following closely might get confused. The Trump plan is actually a proposal. This step one is the same as what Hamas agreed to last July and have been saying for the last two years.

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            That has nothing to do with what was actually agreed on.

            Well @homura1650@lemm.ee claimed no-one agreed to the 20-point ‘plan’. How does that map not have anything to do with that??

            And not one of these red countries speaks or has the license to speak for Palestinians in Gaza

            Sure, but that’s exactly the point: Palestinians in Gaza didn’t have any say in this. It is imposed upon them. It basically outlines Hamas’ surrender as the price for peace.

            This exact hostage deal was on the table since Biden. Hamas didn’t accept it because it didn’t include Israel stopping the war. What do you think made them change their mind?

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      Israel breached the terms before the hostages was even released so no. Hamas did not violate it , it was israel

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        Which “terms” are you talking about??

        Again, you seem to be under the impression or illusion that there is some kind of balanced “deal” between Hamas and Israel. There isn’t. Donnie T and Bibi B basically gave a list of demands, starting with returning the hostages and continuing with Hamas disarming and dissolving. And if Hamas doesn’t agree, Israel goes back in and continues what they were doing two weeks ago. With Trumps full support as well as all the countries that agreed to his ‘plan’.

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          Why are you deflecting. Just admit the phase one asked israel to stop the war so the hostages get released safetly. Israel did not abude and continued the killing. So Israel breached the term of the first time which Hamas can rightfully call the desl null if they want to

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            They are not deflecting if they have no clue what is going on. Is just ignorance and lack of knowledge.

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            Deflecting? Can you explain how I am deflecting? I’m arguing why your point is irrelevant.

            ‘Phase One’, as you call it, requires Israel to ‘withdraw to the agreed upon line’. Do you think that means that IDF soldiers aren’t just going to fire on Palestinians they think are wandering too close? If it gets you off, sure, I’ll admit that that’s not conductive to the agreement.

            But do you really think that after 70k+ dead, and multiples maimed and traumatized, and with Israel on the brink of razing Gaza City, they’re going to call the whole damn thing off because of some (and excuse my wording) small incidents?

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              The deal rewuired Israel to stop thr killing, israel did not accept that yet you can’t admit you are wrong and keep talking sbout stuffs

              Israel did not only shot palestinians near the line they also did airstrikes during the cease fire. Like they keep bombing Lebanon during the “cease fire” stop making excuses to Israel

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                I’m not making excuses for Israel

                I’m trying to explain to you that this isn’t a sports game where Israel gets ejected if they get two yellow cards

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                  You said it was Hamas who breached the ceasefire terms that’s an excuse for Israel

                  They don´t need to look for an excuse. Hamas is already saying they won´t disarm. So even if they return all the bodies, that alone means they´re in breach of the ´peace plan´ and Israel can go back in either way

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                    The current ceasefire is in place to facilitate the hostage exchanges.

                    The larger ‘peace plan’ sees this ceasefire continuing if Hamas continues to play ball, and ending if they don’t.

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          Are you saying that Israel and the US acted in bad faith when they agreed to Hamas’s more limited counter offer; then pocketed the front loaded benefit of the hostage release before reneging on their half of the agreement?

          That would be like agreeing to negotiate so your enemy is not prepared for a surprise bombing campaign. Or bombing the country that volunteered their territory to host negotiations because they were hosting your enemies negotiators.

          Or claiming a desire to negotiate while killing the enemy negotiators.

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            ‘Counter offer’?

            I really have to keep myself composed reading this

            Hamas ‘agreed’ to the hostage exchange that was forced on them, because otherwise Israel was going to raze Gaza City with Trumps full support, and a lot of other countries’ silent support. The next thing that will be forced on them is disarming and making room for ‘peace troops’ with Gaza’s administration being taken over by the honorable dipshit Tony Blair.

            What do you think the consequence will be if they refuse??

            Do you think Bibi and Donnie are going to throw their hands above their heads because Hamas called their monumental bluff?