Wait, maybe that’s the sustainable endgame. If the problem is that there is no new human contect for AI to learn from, then the AI companies can hire some humans to create literature, art, music, memes, etc. to carry on a stream of data for the AI to consume. They said that once AI had taken all the shit jobs, humans would be able to spend their time on art - maybe this is how it all ties together!
The expected outcome is internet collapse. The internet is a mass communication tool that allows bothersome peasants to organize and educate themselves if they are inclined to do so. Which means it must be destroyed.
The poor, disenfranchised, and uneducated are significantly easier to manipulate. So the goal of the 1% is to break society, eliminate the ability to educate, eliminate the ability to organize, and the use their near total control over mass media to assure everyone that they are better off under the thumb of the technocratic state.
Apart from being hit with what seemed like random ban hammers, that was one of the reasons I left Reddit.
It just seems so “the same”. Every comment chain is filled with the same predictable comments and they’re all predictably commenting on the same predictable content.
I hear lots of Lemmy newbies saying they stay on Reddit because of the user base in their niche communities. I hope those same people post or comment here a little bit in their niche instances before buggering off back to the black hole of bots.
I love that I can spot individual users again without tagging them.
I love the guy who uses that ye olde symbol instead of typing the letters “th”
This place is awesome because of the limited user base IMO. Very rarely have I been met with negativity here.
I joined Reddit in 2008. I saw it devolve year by year. When it got big enough, it attracted the attention of the capital. Then it quickly became a propaganda mouthpiece of the money. I had big subs on there, now I’m aggressively permabanned, every single account I’ve ever had, easily a hundred of them. If you don’t play along, you don’t belong, it’s become just another controlled media outlet. It will happen here too, as soon as it becomes big enough to become a problem, they will find a way. It’s extremely scary.
Who could have imagined the Illuminati were a bunch of pimplefaced billionaire nerds acting all out in the open.
Yep. That about sums it up. It’s a bit worse than that though, because they can also actively poison the AI and make it express more positive right wing sentiments too. For now that’s still a bit tricky, because the AI goes mecha-Hitler, but don’t worry, they will fix that glitch in the coming months.
It doesn’t even matter if it does a poor job. I see people scrolling endlessly, 24/7, they’re already zombified. The amount of people who can filter the bullshit or think critically about what they are fed online are in an extreme minority. It doesn’t matter for the ruling class if there’s some single digit percent of the population that don’t buy it, fooling most people most of the time is absolutely enough to rule absolutely.
Anyone else inhabiting a very dark mindspace lately? We should start a club.
This is not a conspiracy to destroy the internet. This is a tragedy of the commons. It doesn’t take many bad agents to ruin it for everyone. AI slop is so cheap and has the potential to make profit, so it’s a no brainer if you don’t have a better way to make money.
The only reason the AI companies are crying is because now they need humans in the loop somehow. They’ll need to source data from only known and verified real-person sources (like reputable news sites, magazines, personal blogs, and podcasts), manually verify data is not slop, and/or pay people to generate data for them.
Capitalism will kill civilization. We can’t escape it. If we tear it down, we go down with it. If we don’t, it will collapse under its own weight, and soon, and it will crush us all under the flaming rubble.
That’s a good point. The internet collapse also helps this new age of " information capitalism" to spread even further: any information that you may seek will be behind a paywall or intermediate by an AI that you have to pay a subscription to access. In fact, that’s the best case scenario for all these AI companies: to kill free and reliable information.
Most likely the only goal is getting short term massive investment like everything else. Just the capitalism playbook of find resource, hype it up and exploit it, draining all value before discarding it. Pump and dump.
Once Ai becomes Super Aware AI^TM then we will have no need for original stories…We just need a trillion more dollars of funding, all your power, fresh water, and for you to rewrite all intellectual property laws. Trust me bro, we are sooo close.
I swear tech bro billionaires forgot they were the ones who wrote the checks to the marketing department that dream this stuff up and have just been getting high on their own supply. The amount of people in silicon valley that actually believe AI is going to evolve into some version of the 40k Omni Messiah is too damn high.
I think it’s the greatest sunk cost fallacy the world has yet seen.
“We’ve poured trillions of dollars into this, and convinced a bunch of people it’s going to fundamentally transform humanity, so it MUST be a good idea!”
None of them want to be the first to admit that it was a bad bet.
A bad bet? It is earning them billions. Why would they stop?
Unchecked profit motive is what is going to destroy civilization- it already is. It already did. We are governed by a bizarre set of rules where aggressive competition is supposed to somehow bring about the best outcomes for humanity, which is just an absurd proposition, it’s all a racket, a game that has superseded rule of democracy and law, it is what controls every nation and every decision on the planet- the economy, profit, money.
Yeah, it just doesn’t make any sense. There hasn’t even been a legitimate scheme to make AI profitable in the long run. The only thing these idiots can dream about is cutting down labour cost at any conceivable level.
Like okay even if that were possible, we now have infinite cheap production but with no consumer demand?
Yeah…the whole thing is incredibly short-sighted, and that’s being charitable.
The capitalists have such a raging hard-on at the thought of not having to pay workers, they don’t want to listen to anyone who might give them a dose of reality.
That’s the thing that I wonder about. Like I know people who think all coding is going to be ai in the next couple of years. But where do they get data? Come up with better programs? Llama are, like you said, machines that just steal what’s already there. So if they are doing all the coding, we’re stuck right now? Nothing new or better?
Why do you think they store and analyze everything you do on your computer, like when you use Windows? “Would you like a permanent spell checker that you can’t turn off make sure anything you write is spelled correctly? No? Too bad, go use Linux. Oh shit sorry, it’s in the hardware now, you can opt out if you want, but not really, we are going to read everything you write on your computer and your phone and analyze every conversation you have on your phone and it’s all going to be processed and then eventually sold for scraps after we’ve extracted what we want from it”.
That’s where, and it’s been happening for way over a decade already.
There are legitimately AI researchers who are investigating “how can we make models that can be trained on AI generated data”. These researchers know about model collapse (LLMs recursively trained on generated data will degenerate after a few iterations) for over a year now
I’m still baffled about the expected outcome of replacing all content creation with AI for new events or ideas, like news articles.
If there are no humans to write the story first, where are the bots going to get the new information to plagiarize?
Wait, maybe that’s the sustainable endgame. If the problem is that there is no new human contect for AI to learn from, then the AI companies can hire some humans to create literature, art, music, memes, etc. to carry on a stream of data for the AI to consume. They said that once AI had taken all the shit jobs, humans would be able to spend their time on art - maybe this is how it all ties together!
Haaaaaa…
The expected outcome is internet collapse. The internet is a mass communication tool that allows bothersome peasants to organize and educate themselves if they are inclined to do so. Which means it must be destroyed.
The poor, disenfranchised, and uneducated are significantly easier to manipulate. So the goal of the 1% is to break society, eliminate the ability to educate, eliminate the ability to organize, and the use their near total control over mass media to assure everyone that they are better off under the thumb of the technocratic state.
Apart from being hit with what seemed like random ban hammers, that was one of the reasons I left Reddit.
It just seems so “the same”. Every comment chain is filled with the same predictable comments and they’re all predictably commenting on the same predictable content.
I hear lots of Lemmy newbies saying they stay on Reddit because of the user base in their niche communities. I hope those same people post or comment here a little bit in their niche instances before buggering off back to the black hole of bots.
I love that I can spot individual users again without tagging them.
I love the guy who uses that ye olde symbol instead of typing the letters “th”
This place is awesome because of the limited user base IMO. Very rarely have I been met with negativity here.
I joined Reddit in 2008. I saw it devolve year by year. When it got big enough, it attracted the attention of the capital. Then it quickly became a propaganda mouthpiece of the money. I had big subs on there, now I’m aggressively permabanned, every single account I’ve ever had, easily a hundred of them. If you don’t play along, you don’t belong, it’s become just another controlled media outlet. It will happen here too, as soon as it becomes big enough to become a problem, they will find a way. It’s extremely scary.
Who could have imagined the Illuminati were a bunch of pimplefaced billionaire nerds acting all out in the open.
It’s wild that most people don’t understand this is happening. And it’s being manifested in a Mafia type way.
I honestly have no hope for society. People really are ignorant and arrogant to the point that they are basically like farm animals.
Yep. That about sums it up. It’s a bit worse than that though, because they can also actively poison the AI and make it express more positive right wing sentiments too. For now that’s still a bit tricky, because the AI goes mecha-Hitler, but don’t worry, they will fix that glitch in the coming months.
It doesn’t even matter if it does a poor job. I see people scrolling endlessly, 24/7, they’re already zombified. The amount of people who can filter the bullshit or think critically about what they are fed online are in an extreme minority. It doesn’t matter for the ruling class if there’s some single digit percent of the population that don’t buy it, fooling most people most of the time is absolutely enough to rule absolutely.
Anyone else inhabiting a very dark mindspace lately? We should start a club.
This is not a conspiracy to destroy the internet. This is a tragedy of the commons. It doesn’t take many bad agents to ruin it for everyone. AI slop is so cheap and has the potential to make profit, so it’s a no brainer if you don’t have a better way to make money.
The only reason the AI companies are crying is because now they need humans in the loop somehow. They’ll need to source data from only known and verified real-person sources (like reputable news sites, magazines, personal blogs, and podcasts), manually verify data is not slop, and/or pay people to generate data for them.
Capitalism will kill civilization. We can’t escape it. If we tear it down, we go down with it. If we don’t, it will collapse under its own weight, and soon, and it will crush us all under the flaming rubble.
I know I sound all doomsday-y. Sorry.
That’s a good point. The internet collapse also helps this new age of " information capitalism" to spread even further: any information that you may seek will be behind a paywall or intermediate by an AI that you have to pay a subscription to access. In fact, that’s the best case scenario for all these AI companies: to kill free and reliable information.
He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.
Most likely the only goal is getting short term massive investment like everything else. Just the capitalism playbook of find resource, hype it up and exploit it, draining all value before discarding it. Pump and dump.
Once Ai becomes Super Aware AI^TM then we will have no need for original stories…We just need a trillion more dollars of funding, all your power, fresh water, and for you to rewrite all intellectual property laws. Trust me bro, we are sooo close.
I swear tech bro billionaires forgot they were the ones who wrote the checks to the marketing department that dream this stuff up and have just been getting high on their own supply. The amount of people in silicon valley that actually believe AI is going to evolve into some version of the 40k Omni Messiah is too damn high.
I think it’s the greatest sunk cost fallacy the world has yet seen.
“We’ve poured trillions of dollars into this, and convinced a bunch of people it’s going to fundamentally transform humanity, so it MUST be a good idea!”
None of them want to be the first to admit that it was a bad bet.
A bad bet? It is earning them billions. Why would they stop?
Unchecked profit motive is what is going to destroy civilization- it already is. It already did. We are governed by a bizarre set of rules where aggressive competition is supposed to somehow bring about the best outcomes for humanity, which is just an absurd proposition, it’s all a racket, a game that has superseded rule of democracy and law, it is what controls every nation and every decision on the planet- the economy, profit, money.
It is about to great filter us.
Yeah, it just doesn’t make any sense. There hasn’t even been a legitimate scheme to make AI profitable in the long run. The only thing these idiots can dream about is cutting down labour cost at any conceivable level.
Like okay even if that were possible, we now have infinite cheap production but with no consumer demand?
Yeah…the whole thing is incredibly short-sighted, and that’s being charitable.
The capitalists have such a raging hard-on at the thought of not having to pay workers, they don’t want to listen to anyone who might give them a dose of reality.
The means of production are cannibalizing themselves, like the Lemongrabs in Adventure Time
That’s the thing that I wonder about. Like I know people who think all coding is going to be ai in the next couple of years. But where do they get data? Come up with better programs? Llama are, like you said, machines that just steal what’s already there. So if they are doing all the coding, we’re stuck right now? Nothing new or better?
Why do you think they store and analyze everything you do on your computer, like when you use Windows? “Would you like a permanent spell checker that you can’t turn off make sure anything you write is spelled correctly? No? Too bad, go use Linux. Oh shit sorry, it’s in the hardware now, you can opt out if you want, but not really, we are going to read everything you write on your computer and your phone and analyze every conversation you have on your phone and it’s all going to be processed and then eventually sold for scraps after we’ve extracted what we want from it”.
That’s where, and it’s been happening for way over a decade already.
Llama being the LLM corrected to is amazing
There are legitimately AI researchers who are investigating “how can we make models that can be trained on AI generated data”. These researchers know about model collapse (LLMs recursively trained on generated data will degenerate after a few iterations) for over a year now
… I hope I was joking