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    Tell me a war in which China has participated over the last 30 years. China simply doesn’t engage in remotely imperialist behaviour compared to the west.

    As for Russia, I wish it was still a socialist country, but unfortunately now it’s another capitalist antidemocratic regime. Surely since you care about Ukraine, you condemn the capitalist regime in Ukraine which led to the defunding of healthcare, education, the removal of guaranteed housing and guaranteed employment, and a massive demographic crisis of loss of life through hunger, crime, drug abuse and lack of healthcare, which killed millions of Ukrainians prematurely?

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      Tell me a war in which China has participated over the last 30 years

      I guess the answer to my question is “no” then…

      China simply doesn’t engage in remotely imperialist behaviour compared to the west

      They’re colonising islands in the South China Sea which other South East Asian countries claim, even though a UN tribunal ruled that China’s claims aren’t valid. Also what should people think of seeming mistreatment of ethnic minorities in China? Of course there are examples of western countries mistreating minorities, e.g. the USA interning Japanese-Americans during WW2. I don’t know if the USA is currently doing anything similar to what is described in the article I just linked to though.

      Surely since you care about Ukraine, you condemn the capitalist regime in Ukraine which led to the defunding of healthcare, education, the removal of guaranteed housing and guaranteed employment, and a massive demographic crisis of loss of life through hunger, crime, drug abuse and lack of healthcare, which killed millions of Ukrainians prematurely?

      Did this happen after the USSR collapsed? I don’t know enough about Ukrainian history to be honest. I do think though that it’s probably a good idea if world borders, such as those of Ukraine currently, aren’t redrawn by force. It’s probably better to settle disputes democratically and diplomatically.

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        They’re colonising islands in the South China Sea which other South East Asian countries claim

        Hardly can you call it “colonize” when there isn’t a population in said islands. At any rate it’s much less violent than the poverty and lack of political representation that Puertoricans are imposed by the US.

        mistreatment of ethnic minorities

        Oh wow, a BBC article from 2021. Surely we should trust western state media to tell us unbiased facts about its geopolitical opponents. The BBC has famously avoided the word “genocide” for referring to Gaza over the past years, with scandals coming out of editorial orders of employees to avoid such reporting. Taking the BBC seriously on the mistreatment of Muslims in China is as laughable as taking Russia Today seriously on the mistreatment of ethnic Russians in Donetsk.

        As for the “mistreatment of Uyghur”. I have had this discussion 50 times in Lemmy: bring me a 2022-2025 source with contemporary independent journalistic accounts of generalized mistreatment of Uyghurs. Not a piece written by Radio Free Asia based on “anonymous witnesses”. Not a piece written by Adrian Zenz based on “official government statistics”. Bring me some, any independent journalistic work post-2021 about mass mistreatment of Uyghurs.

        Also, your lack of concern for Ukrainian mass economic and population crisis suggests that your criticism for Russia doesn’t come from a genuine care about the people suffering from the actions of the Russian government, but rather from an agreement with western propaganda.

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          Hardly can you call it “colonize” when there isn’t a population in said islands. At any rate it’s much less violent than the poverty and lack of political representation that Puertoricans are imposed by the US.

          Whatever you call it, I would still say it’s imperialist behaviour of China to take over islands that it doesn’t seem to have a right to. Regarding Puerto Rico, I think they should have proper representation in the US Congress. Are Puerto Ricans being interned in camps like Uyghurs in Xinjiang though?

          Taking the BBC seriously on the mistreatment of Muslims in China is as laughable as taking Russia Today seriously on the mistreatment of ethnic Russians in Donetsk.

          No it isn’t, because RT seems to air lies, while I don’t think the BBC does. For example, RT featured an interview with two Russian military intelligence agents who seemed to have lied to hide the fact that they poisoned Sergei Skripal in England in 2018. Can you provide an example of the BBC doing something like this?

          any independent journalistic work post-2021 about mass mistreatment of Uyghurs

          What is wrong with the BBC article I provided? You haven’t shown that the BBC lies or is unreliable. It looks like The Guardian has also reported on this story though and here are articles from Sky News.

          your lack of concern for Ukrainian mass economic and population crisis

          I genuinely am just not aware of what you were referring to. Anyway, I hope that Ukrainians and Russians can live in peace, and preferably with political freedom. The first step towards achieving this would be the Kremlin withdrawing their invasion of Ukraine. I think Ukraine should be able to make their own democratic decisions. Ideally every country should be able to make independent democratic decisions I think.