Palestinian officials said two newborns died and dozens were at risk after fuel ran out. Hamas said it destroyed some Israeli military targets while an Israeli military spokesperson said Hamas had lost control of northern Gaza.
Hamas doesn’t care… They are terrorists. It is incumbent upon the “good guys” to be better than the terrorists. We really don’t want to go back to the time when war was a race to the bottom of the atrocity ladder.
Yup. Hamas is a shit organization who only the Palestinian people to further their wealth and trash ideology. Gaza hasnt had an election since Hamas barely came to power. Their leaders live a life of luxury while their people suffer. That said, netanyahu has been a fucking asshole himself – he caused this attack as much as Hamas.
However, this is an ongoing war that was started by two assholes where the only suffering happens to innocent people. Civilians die in war, while they are not primary targets (except by terrorists), they will be caught in the crossfire. If a major leadership cell is at a hospital – the hospital is a target and the leadership will be taken out, even in the laws of war – you CAN target hospitals. If a hospital is “untouchable” then the enemy will use it. War is horrible, but when you are in it – you fight.
Its best to focus on the failed policies of the USA, Isreal and the authoritarian, terrorist Hamas government that led to this mess in the first place and find some path for peace to ultimately stop all this bloodshed.
How this can be done? No idea, but whatever has been done isnt working.
“Its best to focus on the failed policies of the USA, Isreal and the authoritarian, terrorist Hamas government that led to this mess in the first place and find some path for peace to ultimately stop all this bloodshed.”
The policy that led to Hamas was the apartheid system imposed on Palestinians by Israelis, not to mention the continued theft of land over the last 70 years. Nothing changes without that system being dismantled.
You dumb. Correct, they haven’t had an election within the lifetime of over half the population of Gaza so they aren’t duly elected and there’s little evidence to support Palestinian support of Hamas specifically. Netanyahu had been caught paying hamas cash on multiple occasions, didn’t must cause it he paid for it.
You cannot disproportionately attack a hospital, there are 5000 people known to be in that hospital and a claimed sub 500 Garrison below that they refuse to get into his or why they know about. You can’t kill 5000 to kill 500 you don’t actually even have proof exist.
You seem to gloss over the literal terrorist roots of the IDF, lehi, irgun, haganah age others were all terrorist organizations involved in self claimed acts of assassination, civilian bombing and religious purge of secular leadership.
No shit? Bombing civilian industry and controlling the population of an open air concentration camp isn’t popular? Whoever would have guessed that?
I’ve been in a few war zones… I know the rules. The point isn’t whether it’s legal… Israel has the resources to clear these places on foot. Yes, it sucks and yes, it will result in higher IDF casualties. Just like clearing Falluja building by building led to higher coalition losses there. Soldiers dying is better than civilians dying…especially when you’re fighting terrorists. Every dead civilian has family, friends, lovers, etc, that will become more sympathetic to the terrorists and make killing the ideology that much harder.
somehow I’m not surprised that you can’t even think about science and how it contributes to civilization.
you are being intellectually dishonest by claiming that we are all equal and then you pick the worst possible example from the group instead of picking the best representatives of nobel prize winners before comparing them with terrorists.
but sure I’ll take anyone from the list of nobel prize winners (which in my opinion are usually political) over someone that puts babies in ovens and burns them alive. it’s not really that complicated as you are trying to make it seem, even when you pick a strawman interpretation of my comment.
EDIT: In a way I’m not surprised that the very people who defend hamas think that rapists and terrorists have the same worth as a nobel prize winner.
All things being equal, the IDF are bigger and more successful terrorists than Hamas and their response to the October 7 attack was a disproportionate response, despite the IDF also conducting operations in the west bank at the same exact time.
Comparing actions being taken in a war being fought over an area larger than that of Delaware to that of a bank robbery is too reductionist to give any sort of meaningful response to.
War fucking sucks, and sometimes the only way to save 10,000 lives is to end 100. Every country has limited resources to deal with hostage situations in active warzones.
The thing though is, that this is not the case with IDF. They have plenty resources, enough to be selling to the rest of the world actually, and they are not preventing an impending attack. It seems like their motives are somewhere else
It’s not. Hamas being there doesn’t magically make this okay, you fucking homonculus
Looks like we found the cheat code in war – just make everything hospitals or medical related and no one can touch them!
If Hamas gives a single fuck about these innocent people, abandon their outpost below the hospital.
Hamas doesn’t care… They are terrorists. It is incumbent upon the “good guys” to be better than the terrorists. We really don’t want to go back to the time when war was a race to the bottom of the atrocity ladder.
Yup. Hamas is a shit organization who only the Palestinian people to further their wealth and trash ideology. Gaza hasnt had an election since Hamas barely came to power. Their leaders live a life of luxury while their people suffer. That said, netanyahu has been a fucking asshole himself – he caused this attack as much as Hamas.
However, this is an ongoing war that was started by two assholes where the only suffering happens to innocent people. Civilians die in war, while they are not primary targets (except by terrorists), they will be caught in the crossfire. If a major leadership cell is at a hospital – the hospital is a target and the leadership will be taken out, even in the laws of war – you CAN target hospitals. If a hospital is “untouchable” then the enemy will use it. War is horrible, but when you are in it – you fight.
Its best to focus on the failed policies of the USA, Isreal and the authoritarian, terrorist Hamas government that led to this mess in the first place and find some path for peace to ultimately stop all this bloodshed.
How this can be done? No idea, but whatever has been done isnt working.
The policy that led to Hamas was the apartheid system imposed on Palestinians by Israelis, not to mention the continued theft of land over the last 70 years. Nothing changes without that system being dismantled.
You dumb. Correct, they haven’t had an election within the lifetime of over half the population of Gaza so they aren’t duly elected and there’s little evidence to support Palestinian support of Hamas specifically. Netanyahu had been caught paying hamas cash on multiple occasions, didn’t must cause it he paid for it.
You cannot disproportionately attack a hospital, there are 5000 people known to be in that hospital and a claimed sub 500 Garrison below that they refuse to get into his or why they know about. You can’t kill 5000 to kill 500 you don’t actually even have proof exist.
You seem to gloss over the literal terrorist roots of the IDF, lehi, irgun, haganah age others were all terrorist organizations involved in self claimed acts of assassination, civilian bombing and religious purge of secular leadership.
No shit? Bombing civilian industry and controlling the population of an open air concentration camp isn’t popular? Whoever would have guessed that?
I’ve been in a few war zones… I know the rules. The point isn’t whether it’s legal… Israel has the resources to clear these places on foot. Yes, it sucks and yes, it will result in higher IDF casualties. Just like clearing Falluja building by building led to higher coalition losses there. Soldiers dying is better than civilians dying…especially when you’re fighting terrorists. Every dead civilian has family, friends, lovers, etc, that will become more sympathetic to the terrorists and make killing the ideology that much harder.
Running a military operation out of a hospital makes it a valid target. Hamas is using civilians as human shields.
Are you suggesting it is okay to kill civilians being used as human shields?
Are you suggesting that human shields have more value than the people who is being mortally attacked from behind the shields?
No. That’s exactly the point, you dipshit. They have AS MUCH value. Equal to.
Value is for spreadsheets.
Humans have worth. And all humans have equal worth. All things actually.
I don’t agree with that nice sounding platitude. Terrorists and pedophiles lives don’t have the same worth as a nobel price winner to society.
That’s a moral judgment. Worth has nothing to do with it.
All things, by virtue of their existence, have equal worth.
Wonderful example, considering anybody can be nominated and win a Nobel peace prize, including people guilty of ethnic cleansing.
somehow I’m not surprised that you can’t even think about science and how it contributes to civilization. you are being intellectually dishonest by claiming that we are all equal and then you pick the worst possible example from the group instead of picking the best representatives of nobel prize winners before comparing them with terrorists.
but sure I’ll take anyone from the list of nobel prize winners (which in my opinion are usually political) over someone that puts babies in ovens and burns them alive. it’s not really that complicated as you are trying to make it seem, even when you pick a strawman interpretation of my comment.
EDIT: In a way I’m not surprised that the very people who defend hamas think that rapists and terrorists have the same worth as a nobel prize winner.
No one is defending Hamas. People are defending all the innocent civilians who are being attacked and killed.
Bro you’re the embodiment of shitty red herring gas lit arguments.
All things being equal, the IDF are bigger and more successful terrorists than Hamas and their response to the October 7 attack was a disproportionate response, despite the IDF also conducting operations in the west bank at the same exact time.
Justice for Palestine
I would suggest they are certainly more valuable than the incompetent marksmen who would rather make excuses than aim their fucking guns
Genocide apologist try not to justify bombing hospitals challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Based on who though
Just like bank robbers do, and you wouldn’t be ok with the police entering with flamethrowers
So if a bank robber took a cashier as a hostage, you’d suggest to just shoot the hostage, to get to the bank robber?
Comparing actions being taken in a war being fought over an area larger than that of Delaware to that of a bank robbery is too reductionist to give any sort of meaningful response to.
I was mainly focusing on the validity of taking out hostages in order to get to the bad guys.
War fucking sucks, and sometimes the only way to save 10,000 lives is to end 100. Every country has limited resources to deal with hostage situations in active warzones.
The thing though is, that this is not the case with IDF. They have plenty resources, enough to be selling to the rest of the world actually, and they are not preventing an impending attack. It seems like their motives are somewhere else
Hahaha isreali loses are less than 2000 by all the numbers I’ve found, Palestinians dead 10000+, Palestinians injured 30000.
You’re correct, scale matters.