Ok bro now find an expression solver that verifies your solution. I tried Wolfram Alpha, Google, and others, and they all return 128. So either you’re wrong, or all people who make these tools professionally are wrong. Not trying to be offensive, but I know where I’m putting my money.
To be clear, the reason you’re wrong is because distribution is not part of the brackets step. Brackets are solved before exponents, resulting in 2(8)². Remove the brackets and then it’s 2*8²
all people who make these tools professionally are wrong
That’s right. Welcome to programmers writing Maths apps without checking that they have their Maths right first. BTW, in some cases it’s as bad as one of their calculators saying 2+3x4=20! 😂
To be clear, the reason you’re wrong is because distribution is not part of the brackets step
To be clear, I am correct, because Distribution is part of the Brackets step, as we have already established…
Brackets are solved before exponents,
Yes
resulting in 2(8)²
No, you haven’t finished solving the Brackets yet, which you must do before proceeding…
Remove the brackets and then it’s 2*8²
Nope! We have already established that you cannot remove the brackets if you haven’t Distributed yet…
So what we actually get is…
2(8)²=(2x8)²=16²
and now that I have removed the Brackets, I can now do the exponent,
16²=256
Welcome to you finding the answer to 2x(3+5)² - where the 2 is separate to the brackets, separated from them by the multiply sign - rather than 2(3+5)², which has no multiply sign, and therefore the 2 must be Distributed
Lmao citing yourself and assuming you’re correct and smarter than everyone who programs solvers, even those who are known to be respectable and used extensively in academia. Nothing’s been established cause you’ve cited sources that don’t support your argument, and repeating them again and again won’t make it different. Good day bro, continuing this is useless.
Nope! I cite Maths textbookshere, here, here, here, here, here, here, a calculator here, need I go on? 🙄 There’s plenty more of them
assuming you’re correct and smarter than everyone who programs solvers,
That’s hilarious that you think random programmers know more about Maths than a Maths professional 😂
even those who are known to be respectable and used extensively in academia
As I already stated, everyone knows the complete opposite of that about them. It’s hilarious that you’re trying to prop up places that give both right and wrong answers to the exact same expression as somehow being “respectable”. 😂 And you’ll see at the end of that thread - if you decide to read it this time - the poof that academia does not use it (because they know it spits out random answers)
Nothing’s been established cause you’ve cited sources that don’t support your argument
BWAHAHAHAAH! Like?? 😂
repeating them again and again won’t make it different.
That’s right, the Maths textbooks are still as correct about it as the first time I cited them.
continuing this is useless
Well it is when you don’t bother reading the links, which you’ve just proven is the case
I’ve read everything you’ve posted, but the problem is you’re interpreting the texts in such a way that they support your flawed argument, conveniently ignoring what they’re actually saying, such as “if” statements.
Even this textbook that you yourself posted goes against what you’re saying if you just bother to look at it outside of your tunnel vision:
You’ve read every textbook, and looked at the calculator answer? Yeah nah, you clearly haven’t.
you’re interpreting the texts in such a way that they support your flawed argument
Says person who can’t come up with any textbooks that support their argument. 😂 BTW if you had looked at the calculator, you would’ve seen it does it exactly as I have described - 6/2(1+2)=6/2(3)=6/(2x3)=6/6=1, not, you know, 6/2(1+2)=3(3)=9, which is your flawed argument
conveniently ignoring what they’re actually saying, such as “if” statements
Says person ignoring this “if” statement which says you literally must distribute if you want to remove the brackets.
Even this textbook that you yourself posted goes against what you’re saying
No it doesn’t! 😂
Notice something?
Yes, you ignored the Distribution in the last step 😂 I have no idea what you think is significant about the first 2 steps, other than you were trying to draw attention away from the Distribution in the last step
Here’s another one (different authors) that does the same thing, which you would’ve seen if you had actually read all the textbooks I posted, but they explicitly spell out what they’re doing as they’re doing it…
Yep I have looked at all you’ve posted, I say you’re wrong because what you’ve posted says things that are true, but you’re reading them wrong. For example your last image clearly says a number next to a bracket means the content of the bracket must be multiplied with said number. Nowhere there does anybody speak of distribution taking precedence over other operations. In fact, nowhere in all sources I can find does it say so. Wonder why all screenshots you post use convoluted wording and wonder why you pop up everywhere arguing the same thing and keep getting downvoted? At some point you need to understand that if one old-ass calculator and selective reading of cherry picked passages is all the proof you have, when all modern calculators and algebra solvers go against you, maybe it’s time to reconsider.
Juxtaposition taking precedence over other multiplications I can understand and it’s an arguable point. Distribution being a mandatory step and taking precedence over even exponents is just silly and unfortunately wrong.
Also another thing: you’re a math teacher as you’ve said, and consistently ask if I think “random programmers” know more about algebra than you. What I say to that is I’ve met plenty of teachers who are wrong about things in their own fields, for one. And also, people defining the rules of all those algebra solvers aren’t the programmers, as you’d know if you looked a bit into product development. It’s domain experts, who also define tests and receive feedback on the software’s performance and errors. I’m sure (lol) you’ve sent feedback to them, and they probably looked at it and decided you’re wrong. As well all have.
Then you’re just a crank who lies to thirteen-year-olds about some bullshit you made up.
Weird then that’s in in Maths textbooks isn’t it 😂
Both 2(8+0)2 and 2(8*1)2
Says another person who can’t tell the difference between a(b+c) and a(bc) 🙄
Nobody but you has this problem
Knowing how to read Maths textbooks is a problem?? 😂 I can assure you that all my students have this same “problem”
Real math doesn’t work differently based on how you got there
It does if you have different expressions, such as 8/2(1+3) and 8/2x(1+3)
B 8/2(1+3)=8/(2+6)=8/8
E
DM 8/8=1
AS
B 8/2x(1+3)=8/2x4
E
DM 8/2x4=4x4=16
AS
Different expressions, different order of evaluation, same rules of Maths (both following BEDMAS here) resulting in the different evaluations of the different expressions 🙄
Every textbook with an answer key says you’re full of shit.
Physical calculators say you’re full of shit.
Advanced math programs say you’re full of shit.
You can keep talking, but you’re obviously just full of shit.
At some point you’re either so deep in denial you should speak Swahili, or else being wrong on purpose is the point. The answer in either case is shut the fuck up.
2(n)2 is 2n2. Anything else is an inane complication nobody else believes in or uses or needs.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! And how exactly do you think they got from 5(17) to 85 without distributing?? 🤣 Spoiler alert, this is what they actually did…
5(17)=(5x17)=85
They do that throughout the book, because they think it’s so trivial to get from 5(17) to 85, that if you don’t know how to do it without writing (5x17) first, then you have deeper problems than just not knowing how to Distribute 😂
The first textbook only gets 5(17) by not doing what the second textbook says to do with 5(3+14)
Because the first textbook is illustrating do brackets from the inside out, which the second textbook isn’t doing (it only has one set of brackets, not nested brackets like the first one). They even tell you that right before the example. They still are both Distributing. You’re also ignoring that they actually wrote 5[3+(14)], so they are resolving the inner brackets first, exactly as they said they were doing. 🙄 The 5 is outside the outermost brackets, and so they Distribute when they reach the outermost brackets. This is so not complicated - I don’t know why you struggle with it so much 🙄
First image says ‘always simplify inside,’ and shows that
And then says to Distribute, and shows that 🙄 “A number next to anything in brackets means the contents of the brackets should be multiplied”.
Second image says ‘everything inside must be multiplied,’ and shows that
Yep, that’s right, same as I’ve been telling you the whole time 😂
You’re such an incompetent troll that you proved yourself wrong within the same post
Ah, no, you did, again - you even just quoted that the second one also says to Distribute! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 😂 I’ll remember that you just called yourself an incompetent troll going forward. 😂
I think I know what you’re missing - perhaps intentionally 🙄 - in a(b+c), c can be equal to 0. It can be any number, not just positive and negative, leaving us with a(b)=(axb), which is also what I’ve been saying all along (not sure how you missed it, other than to deliberately ignore it)
You’ve harassed a dozen people to say only 5*3+5*14 is correct, to the point you think 2(3+5)2 isn’t 2*82.
If you’d stuck to one dogmatic answer you could pretend it’s a pet peeve. But you’ve concisely proven you don’t give a shit - the harassment is the point. Quote, posture, emoji, repeat, when you can’t do algebra right.
Ok bro now find an expression solver that verifies your solution. I tried Wolfram Alpha, Google, and others, and they all return 128. So either you’re wrong, or all people who make these tools professionally are wrong. Not trying to be offensive, but I know where I’m putting my money.
To be clear, the reason you’re wrong is because distribution is not part of the brackets step. Brackets are solved before exponents, resulting in 2(8)². Remove the brackets and then it’s 2*8²
Yep, all known to give wrong order of operations answers
Well, it’s not me, so…
That’s right. Welcome to programmers writing Maths apps without checking that they have their Maths right first. BTW, in some cases it’s as bad as one of their calculators saying 2+3x4=20! 😂
To be clear, I am correct, because Distribution is part of the Brackets step, as we have already established…
Yes
No, you haven’t finished solving the Brackets yet, which you must do before proceeding…
Nope! We have already established that you cannot remove the brackets if you haven’t Distributed yet…
So what we actually get is…
2(8)²=(2x8)²=16²
and now that I have removed the Brackets, I can now do the exponent,
16²=256
Welcome to you finding the answer to 2x(3+5)² - where the 2 is separate to the brackets, separated from them by the multiply sign - rather than 2(3+5)², which has no multiply sign, and therefore the 2 must be Distributed
Lmao citing yourself and assuming you’re correct and smarter than everyone who programs solvers, even those who are known to be respectable and used extensively in academia. Nothing’s been established cause you’ve cited sources that don’t support your argument, and repeating them again and again won’t make it different. Good day bro, continuing this is useless.
Nope! I cite Maths textbooks here, here, here, here, here, here, here, a calculator here, need I go on? 🙄 There’s plenty more of them
That’s hilarious that you think random programmers know more about Maths than a Maths professional 😂
As I already stated, everyone knows the complete opposite of that about them. It’s hilarious that you’re trying to prop up places that give both right and wrong answers to the exact same expression as somehow being “respectable”. 😂 And you’ll see at the end of that thread - if you decide to read it this time - the poof that academia does not use it (because they know it spits out random answers)
BWAHAHAHAAH! Like?? 😂
That’s right, the Maths textbooks are still as correct about it as the first time I cited them.
Well it is when you don’t bother reading the links, which you’ve just proven is the case
I’ve read everything you’ve posted, but the problem is you’re interpreting the texts in such a way that they support your flawed argument, conveniently ignoring what they’re actually saying, such as “if” statements.
Even this textbook that you yourself posted goes against what you’re saying if you just bother to look at it outside of your tunnel vision:
Notice something?
You’ve read every textbook, and looked at the calculator answer? Yeah nah, you clearly haven’t.
Says person who can’t come up with any textbooks that support their argument. 😂 BTW if you had looked at the calculator, you would’ve seen it does it exactly as I have described - 6/2(1+2)=6/2(3)=6/(2x3)=6/6=1, not, you know, 6/2(1+2)=3(3)=9, which is your flawed argument
Says person ignoring this “if” statement which says you literally must distribute if you want to remove the brackets.
No it doesn’t! 😂
Yes, you ignored the Distribution in the last step 😂 I have no idea what you think is significant about the first 2 steps, other than you were trying to draw attention away from the Distribution in the last step
Here’s another one (different authors) that does the same thing, which you would’ve seen if you had actually read all the textbooks I posted, but they explicitly spell out what they’re doing as they’re doing it…
Yep I have looked at all you’ve posted, I say you’re wrong because what you’ve posted says things that are true, but you’re reading them wrong. For example your last image clearly says a number next to a bracket means the content of the bracket must be multiplied with said number. Nowhere there does anybody speak of distribution taking precedence over other operations. In fact, nowhere in all sources I can find does it say so. Wonder why all screenshots you post use convoluted wording and wonder why you pop up everywhere arguing the same thing and keep getting downvoted? At some point you need to understand that if one old-ass calculator and selective reading of cherry picked passages is all the proof you have, when all modern calculators and algebra solvers go against you, maybe it’s time to reconsider.
Juxtaposition taking precedence over other multiplications I can understand and it’s an arguable point. Distribution being a mandatory step and taking precedence over even exponents is just silly and unfortunately wrong.
Also another thing: you’re a math teacher as you’ve said, and consistently ask if I think “random programmers” know more about algebra than you. What I say to that is I’ve met plenty of teachers who are wrong about things in their own fields, for one. And also, people defining the rules of all those algebra solvers aren’t the programmers, as you’d know if you looked a bit into product development. It’s domain experts, who also define tests and receive feedback on the software’s performance and errors. I’m sure (lol) you’ve sent feedback to them, and they probably looked at it and decided you’re wrong. As well all have.
Then you’re just a crank who lies to thirteen-year-olds about some bullshit you made up.
Both 2(8+0)2 and 2(8*1)2 simplify to 2(8)2. They can’t get different answers.
Nobody but you has this problem. Real math doesn’t work differently based on how you got there.
Weird then that’s in in Maths textbooks isn’t it 😂
Says another person who can’t tell the difference between a(b+c) and a(bc) 🙄
Knowing how to read Maths textbooks is a problem?? 😂 I can assure you that all my students have this same “problem”
It does if you have different expressions, such as 8/2(1+3) and 8/2x(1+3)
B 8/2(1+3)=8/(2+6)=8/8
E
DM 8/8=1
AS
B 8/2x(1+3)=8/2x4
E
DM 8/2x4=4x4=16
AS
Different expressions, different order of evaluation, same rules of Maths (both following BEDMAS here) resulting in the different evaluations of the different expressions 🙄
If you can simplify before distributing - and the PDFs you spam say you can - then there is no difference. You made it the fuck up.
2(n)2 is 2n2 whether n=a+b or n=a*b=ab. If you want to square the 2, that’s (2n)2.
It’s not about the multiply sign, or grouping, or division. You fooled yourself into saying 2=1.
They say you can do that when there is Addition or Subtraction inside the Brackets. They also say you cannot Distribute over Multiplication, at all
There is no difference between Addition and Multiplication?? 😂
And yet, there it is in textbooks that were written before I was even born 😂
Nope! a(b+c)=(ab+ac). a(bxc)=abc
…or 2²xn², or 2(½n+½n)²
Yes it is! 😂 If there’s a Multiply or a Divide, you cannot Distribute.
Not me! 😂
Every textbook with an answer key says you’re full of shit.
Physical calculators say you’re full of shit.
Advanced math programs say you’re full of shit.
You can keep talking, but you’re obviously just full of shit.
At some point you’re either so deep in denial you should speak Swahili, or else being wrong on purpose is the point. The answer in either case is shut the fuck up.
2(n)2 is 2n2. Anything else is an inane complication nobody else believes in or uses or needs.
Says person who can’t find a Maths textbook that says a(bxc)=(abxac) 🙄
I’m gonna presume that’s why you keep claiming a(bxc)=(abxac) 🙄
says person still not doing that 😂
No it isn’t! 😂 2xn² is
Except for authors of Maths textbooks 😂
b*c is one term.
Show me one textbook where a(b+c)2 gets an a2 term. Here’s four in a row that say you’re full of shit.
So no answer for centuries of textbooks saying you’re full of shit.
Like how the 5 in the first image isn’t?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! And how exactly do you think they got from 5(17) to 85 without distributing?? 🤣 Spoiler alert, this is what they actually did…
5(17)=(5x17)=85
They do that throughout the book, because they think it’s so trivial to get from 5(17) to 85, that if you don’t know how to do it without writing (5x17) first, then you have deeper problems than just not knowing how to Distribute 😂
5(17) means they didn’t distribute 5(3+14) into 5*3+5*14.
These textbooks unambiguously disagree.
That’s right, they Distributed the 5(17) into (5x17), and your point is?
With you, yes, and your point is?
The first textbook only gets 5(17) by not doing what the second textbook says to do with 5(3+14).
First image says ‘always simplify inside,’ and shows that.
Second image says ‘everything inside must be multiplied,’ and shows that.
You’re such an incompetent troll that you proved yourself wrong within the same post.
Because the first textbook is illustrating do brackets from the inside out, which the second textbook isn’t doing (it only has one set of brackets, not nested brackets like the first one). They even tell you that right before the example. They still are both Distributing. You’re also ignoring that they actually wrote 5[3+(14)], so they are resolving the inner brackets first, exactly as they said they were doing. 🙄 The 5 is outside the outermost brackets, and so they Distribute when they reach the outermost brackets. This is so not complicated - I don’t know why you struggle with it so much 🙄
And then says to Distribute, and shows that 🙄 “A number next to anything in brackets means the contents of the brackets should be multiplied”.
Yep, that’s right, same as I’ve been telling you the whole time 😂
Ah, no, you did, again - you even just quoted that the second one also says to Distribute! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 😂 I’ll remember that you just called yourself an incompetent troll going forward. 😂
I think I know what you’re missing - perhaps intentionally 🙄 - in a(b+c), c can be equal to 0. It can be any number, not just positive and negative, leaving us with a(b)=(axb), which is also what I’ve been saying all along (not sure how you missed it, other than to deliberately ignore it)
You’ve harassed a dozen people to say only 5*3+5*14 is correct, to the point you think 2(3+5)2 isn’t 2*82.
If you’d stuck to one dogmatic answer you could pretend it’s a pet peeve. But you’ve concisely proven you don’t give a shit - the harassment is the point. Quote, posture, emoji, repeat, when you can’t do algebra right.