We can only hope these companies are treated as collaborators in the future.
How were collaborators treated the last time around though?
Volkswagen, Ford, UBS, and IBM are all doing pretty well.
Even the company that made the gas for hitlers gas chambers are still around
Zyklon-B, the pesticide used in the gas chambers, was still being manufactured, sold and used (for its intended pesticide usage) all the way up until the 2010s iirc.
and this was still under the Zyklon name.
Imagine all the jobs that would be lost if we stopped using zyklon b to gas undesirables! Wrings hands.
All those rocket engineers got cushy jobs with NASA too.
Nike, Adidas
How was Nike involved? They didn’t exist until ~ the 70s I thought.
Sorry, Hugo Boss
the nazi scientists got employed in the US, so theres that. and plus we had a nazi party in the usa that was never sanctioned.
When do you people WAKE UP? What accountability? What responsibility? When in the last decade plus has any if that happened?
I’m sure it’s just around the corner…
Open your damn eyes. The entire planet can see it, why are Americans so blind?l is it intentional? You guys let J6 slide ffs, why would there be an ounce of accountability now or ever? UNREAL
It’s very real. This is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time. You aren’t the first, nor will you be the last one to scream into the void about people who have been deliberately disenfranchised by their government with the direct intent of making them toothless against what is essentially a fascist regime.
The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.
I understand that you’re expressing frustration and disbelief and anger. But people here are angry too and they are fighting where they can. But as this and other news is very demonstrative of, the system is rigged against them and things get worse in that regard every day.
App stores removing apps that track ICE. People who share their outrage but not solutions/who don’t boost actual efforts to fight.
News articles that focus solely on the bad part and offer no solutions. The fact that you don’t come across many posts with actual solutions isn’t a bug, it’s intentional. People ignore things that help so they can remain outraged, supercilious, and smug.
All I’ve heard for 40 years of life is 2a this and 2a that. Turns out it was just an excuse for school shootings and gun nuts to keep their toys. Your answer is staring you in the face, whether you want to acknowledge or not is another thing.
Do you really believe the traditional channels will be of any use? Or have those already - long, long - been compromised?
Even if the channels had just been neutered yesterday, do yoy really think Trump would give back an inch? He’ll TACO all day on tariffs, but on human rights violations he is consistent - take and never return.
You’re platitudes are lovely, and in fairness, not even entirely incorrect. But what you, and eveidently millions and millions of Americans don’t seem to understand, is the milk has already been spilled. The how and the why are for scholars a hundred years from now to sort out. For today, tomorrow and the day after, y’all need to find a way to stop the continous slide. It’s not getting easier next week or the week after.
Label me WHATEVER you like that gets people’s ASSES IN GEAR. As angry as I am, amazingly enough I am still on your side. I should be flushing every bloody word an American speaks to me straight down the toilet after your Dear Leader and half the country shit on an ally in ways never seen before. Yet here I am, trying to propel you people to acknowlegde the real situation for what it is. Why is that? Truthfully, I’m selfish. I’d love to not have to take up arms to defend my border, but let’s be honest, that’s inevitable if Americans don’t clean up their own shit.
So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’. Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.
GO DO SOMETHING.
There’s a lot of armed people here willing to fight, but without some kind of organized call-to-arms (whether it be militias or state national guard), all that’s gonna happen is you’re going to be arrested and given a 20+ year prison sentence for assault on a federal officer with a deadly weapon. It’s easy to say you’d fight back, but a lot of us have families to provide for and can’t just throw away our lives like that.
Right now, we’re lacking leadership, and most democrats in power don’t have the balls to openly call for resistance. I don’t know what the future holds, but I feel we’re nearing a breaking point where we might start seeing armed resistance.
You are clearly not wrong. However, the question I would return with: if not violence, what mechanism for change will actually move a lever?
I’m certainly at my most pessimistic moment, but sincerely I don’t see how this changes for your countrymen at this point without violence…? What realistic compromise could we even draw up? The two sides are diametrically opposed. There isn’t common ground because there isn’t even a common reality. The legal system seems righed and there is no leadership. You have touched on some of these points yourself.
I’ll take a try at what a compromise might look like:
– Trump agrees to go door to door with Minnesota Police. This gurantees:
- The process is done slowly and unchaotically. This is what MN wants.
- Every single address is searched and the potential for immigrant removal is near 100%. This is what Trump wants.
This solution would save lives, but also give up significant civil liberties. It’s the best I can think up. Hopefully you are more creative than I am.
My last comment: I too have a family. And many extended family. And friends across Canada. It is on behalf of these people that I’m so passionate. And I can also appreciate your concerns also because of these same people. These are two sides of the same coin.
The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.
None of this stopped USians from endlessly writing on Reddit for the past four years that Russians should’ve overthrown Putin, and I didn’t see them helping plan a revolution.
I have tried to explain to Americans here and on reddit and other places too that the political landscape in Russia is very different and that what we think is possible is all passed through the lens of our own government and country. But people are gonna people.
For what it’s worth, I don’t agree with those people whole sale either. I recognize that what they’re asking the Russian populace to do is tantamount to a death or slavery sentence.
Oh noooo, that thing we warned people about when it came out is being misused in exactly the way we warned people it would be misused.
Oh nooooo.
I’m tired grandpa. Too damn many stupid people in this world.
yeah, 100%, and there is no satisfaction in being proven right for this shit, the vindication is absolutely hollow. It sucks for everyone.
world
The US. The rest of us don’t have an ICE problem nor an obsession with this kind of shit.
Edit: Americans really don’t like their actions and responsibility handed back to them do they? God they’re getting fucking tiring.
That is simply not true.
Here in the EU we have chat control trying to be forced through every year for mass surveillance and targeting like Spain targeting catalan independence movements.
Palantir is starting to expand into the EU and american fash-tech companies have been lobbying hard and giving money to fascist parties across the EU. Musk gave unprescidented money of AfD fascists, for example.
UK has been getting more and more fascist for years, they have had mass surveillance for years and have been arresting people for simply attending zoom meetings supporting a country being killed off en-masse. Palantir literally just landed a £240 million deal with the UK government
We don’t have an ICE problem yet. Neither did america 10 years ago. It is being pushed HARD here to create an ICE problem.
feels like rest of the world, including Europe, is like “can we slip in a couple of ours while Trump is doing all these insane bat shit crazy stuff and distracting people”
Can we all agree to print out flyers of this to share around with neighbors and our communities? People ARE under educated. It starts with us educating because the oligarchs wont
this is great news for my leftist in-laws who decided to get ring cameras out of the convenience they offered.
I did warn them that this would happen, but like most people, “that would never happen!”
Where are the hactivists?! Are they all too well employed?
I will never have a goddamn camera in my home. If I did it will HAVE to be an old school disconnected one that records to a DVR or some SSD HD. I have zero interest in having any unauthorized or unknown access to the interior of my home. This is a goddamn outrage, how is everyone not throwing their ring cameras out already?
The only reason I have Unifi around. They support local-only. But totally worth if to have your faith in your own hands. I would never have gone with a cloud solution like Ring
Mine is connected to a smart outlet that is only ever powered on when we are away from the house, and it’s connected locally to my home assistant setup.
I enjoy having cameras on my house to see what’s going on in the neighborhood. It has come in handy at least once when my neighbor’s truck was stolen in broad daylight.
They are ring cameras because two were installed already when I moved in. What should I switch to? I just really want motion alerts and proof when something bad happens.
Offers all the features Google/Amazon do, but without the subscriptions.
Plus they joined the open home foundation, so they’re unlikely to enshitify.
unlikely to enshitify.
That might be some wishful thinking. I tried getting some Reolink cameras a neighbor decided to buy on his own, to work with Blue Iris the other day, there was no way to configure them without installing their shitty app. All they have to do is just like every other not-shitty camera, enable DHCP, RTSP and ONVIF by default and then fuck off. But that’s not happening.
I told him to send them back, I wasn’t going to deal with them.
I have a Reolink setup that’s entirely air-gapped. No app required, just configure everything through the NVR unit.
What is an NVR unit?
NVR = Network Video Recorder. It’s the box that has the hard drive(s) to record all the video streams coming in from the cameras over WiFi or Ethernet.
Initial setup with Reolink is hit or miss. You’re right that those settings are off by default, which sucks. The better cameras host their own WebUI with which you can login and make changes with no app required, but the cheaper ones cut that corner and need the app. With that said, yes it is an initial hoop you might have to jump through, but once done and isolated you’ll never have to deal with it again. It’s a worthy trade off for the affordability and featureset IMO, but of course it could always be better.
Except they’re not all that affordable for the features. Not many that are POE, and their MP/optizoom compared to cameras half their price isn’t great. I can get Amcrest or Vikylin for less, and have everything that Reolink doesn’t out of the box. You also have to be careful with them that you don’t get Reolink NVR-locked cameras.
I’ve heard Reolink touted a lot and so far I’m not seeing the advantage.
I got a doorbell camera with full Home Assistant support and a 180 fisheye camera for around $100 each (don’t remember the exact price). I could use the built in recording until i got my NVR setup and it scaled with me. I thought they were great value.
Now, if you want just a bunch of standard cameras to cover your house with, maybe those other options are better, I’ll save your post and take a look if I’m ever in the market. I’m not a camera expert, just a tech/home auto enthusiast so they work for what I want.
Unifi Ubiquiti products are one of the best option for completely local data hosting and camera services with really good “ai” detections all run locally, but they aren’t that cheap and you’ll need to buy one of their Unifi protect capable routers to get started, which is gonna be like $300 by itself.
Edit: Looks like they have a standalone recorder with a 3.5 inch drive bay but it’s still $200, and also most of their cameras are Ethernet. They do have a couple wireless options but not many.
Ethernet is the standard for security cameras anyway. It’s a higher quality feed which is important for indisputable evidence in a court of law. Just about every Wifi camera is either seriously lacking in resolution, frame rate, or both. Wifi cameras are also stupidly easy to jam with like $10 worth of equipment and minimal knowledge…
How is the legal situation in the US? Are you allowed to permanently film and record the public space?
In Germany, you have to limit the camera to your public ground, due to private reasons
We don’t have any expectation of privacy in the US. You can place cameras anywhere you like on your property and can film anything in public.
Unfortunately we have to make our own privacy here (by closing the shades, etc.)
This really highlights how important it is for people to understand what they’re opting into with smart devices. Transparency and informed choice matter more than ever.
the contracts/terms/etc don’t even matter… they can change them at any time, without prior notice. stop buying stuff, plain and simple.
Ditch your internet connected shit and boycott these companies
While you’re at it, don’t buy from amazon
There was a time when I thought that was impossible… now I don’t even have an account
I think my wife keeps one because according to her (and I believe this is true) there are things you just can’t buy elsewhere anymore. So far, I have been fine not buying something if it’s only on Amazon but I can see cases where that would be impossible.
Other than that, fuck Amazon right off
People send me links to Amazon products and seem bewildered when I just don’t open them and or respond to send me the actual link to the mfr website.
Fuck amazon
*you’re
You would think that text prediction would be better by now but no
I bought a ring camera in 2018 and I haven’t replaced it. They disabled color view to try to get me to to buy a new one. Thankfully I haven’t connected it to Amazon or anything yet. I immediately disconnected it after reading this, fucking Amazon.
They deliberately disabled an option in order to coerce you into buying a new one? That is insane.
How did they disable color view if you didn’t connect it to amazon?
Oh look another smart technology I didn’t adopt for the exact reason being talked about. You can’t trust big tech to not collaborate with whoever it’s the most profitable to collaborate with.
It’s not really a trust thing. They are companies, not people. The top decision makers have a fubuciary responsibility to do whatever makes money. They can, and often do, get sued if they don’t. So you can expect them to sell you out. It’s literally thier purpose for existing.
- fiduciary
You’re right, of course, but I really enjoyed “fubuciary”. It’s a deliblicious misplomuncitation.
I can’t argue with that.
I really think you should try. This us the Internet after all!
But I thought the courts decided that companies are people. :|
Only when it is good for “business”
We need more community defense classes. Seriously!
In case it wasn’t obvious, you have to be pretty fucking stupid to install surveillance in your own house linked to tech corporations, with your own money, while generating a profit for them.
This may finally convince my parents to get rid of their ring camera. Thank you
I’ve been trying to talk my out of using the them, hopefully this will. Good luck.
