The part that sucks is sometimes those 3% buffs compound with other stuff so it’s actually a 3000% buff but I can’t tell that because the devs don’t show where the boosts come from or how they’re calculated
just show me the math with a tooltip or something I shouldn’t have to reverse engineer the games systems just to decide where to spend one stupid skill point ffs
I think it was Diablo 3 (not a game I recommend) that had like “5% more damage” and “5% more fire damage” as buffs, but due to esoteric maths, the latter was significantly more impactful on the damage equation. Not a fan of that kind of secret maths in games.
you don’t want to overpower players too quickly, and
making new artwork and animations for each upgrade is hard.
There’s certainly ways you can optimize towards that, though. Vampire Survivors, Binding of Isaac etc. can achieve this, because they’re 2D and have a really simple art style, which makes drawing and coding the new animation effects something you can do during downtime.
Well, and they’re roguelikes. Doesn’t matter if your player gets overpowered, if they’re gonna be irreversably dead in a few minutes anyways. ¯\_(⊙ʖ⊙)/¯
I don’t think the graphics are a big part of the problem. It’s more the math.
Pillars of Eternity, for example, has it so every point of Might above 10 is 3% more damage. This is a little hard to reason about - my sword says it does 17-24 damage. So if I have 15 might, that’s 15% more damage , so the sword is now… 19-27? I had to use a calculator because I’m kind of bad at math. If I take one more point of might, my max damage becomes…28? Does it round?
This is not very quick and easy.
Now imagine instead of every point of might was just +2 damage. Or +5 damage. Much easier to reason about. If you want might to matter more for some weapons, slap a double might bonus on them. You might (pun intended) just need to scale the rest of the system around this new range of values.
I accidentally swerved a little from “impactful stats only” to “easily understood stats”, but they’re kind of related.
And also that these upgrades are entirely optional, so no one will technically soft lock themselves by skipping out on “side content” entirely. This is especially important for speed runners, who usually skip them to further cut time.
I think if I was making a game I would really strive to make it so every upgrade is meaningful and easily noticed.
I liked pillars of eternity, but I didn’t like trying to think about if 3% more damage was even going to survive rounding.
The part that sucks is sometimes those 3% buffs compound with other stuff so it’s actually a 3000% buff but I can’t tell that because the devs don’t show where the boosts come from or how they’re calculated
just show me the math with a tooltip or something I shouldn’t have to reverse engineer the games systems just to decide where to spend one stupid skill point ffsI think it was Diablo 3 (not a game I recommend) that had like “5% more damage” and “5% more fire damage” as buffs, but due to esoteric maths, the latter was significantly more impactful on the damage equation. Not a fan of that kind of secret maths in games.
Yeah, it’s difficult, because:
There’s certainly ways you can optimize towards that, though. Vampire Survivors, Binding of Isaac etc. can achieve this, because they’re 2D and have a really simple art style, which makes drawing and coding the new animation effects something you can do during downtime.
Well, and they’re roguelikes. Doesn’t matter if your player gets overpowered, if they’re gonna be irreversably dead in a few minutes anyways. ¯\_(⊙ʖ⊙)/¯
I don’t think the graphics are a big part of the problem. It’s more the math.
Pillars of Eternity, for example, has it so every point of Might above 10 is 3% more damage. This is a little hard to reason about - my sword says it does 17-24 damage. So if I have 15 might, that’s 15% more damage , so the sword is now… 19-27? I had to use a calculator because I’m kind of bad at math. If I take one more point of might, my max damage becomes…28? Does it round?
This is not very quick and easy.
Now imagine instead of every point of might was just +2 damage. Or +5 damage. Much easier to reason about. If you want might to matter more for some weapons, slap a double might bonus on them. You might (pun intended) just need to scale the rest of the system around this new range of values.
I accidentally swerved a little from “impactful stats only” to “easily understood stats”, but they’re kind of related.
It has nothing to do with 2D/3D, but everything to do with “the grind”.
Big games optimise for player retention, smaller games optimise for fun.
And also that these upgrades are entirely optional, so no one will technically soft lock themselves by skipping out on “side content” entirely. This is especially important for speed runners, who usually skip them to further cut time.