“(With) today’s Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed. For all practical purposes, there are virtually no limits on what the president can do. It’s a fundamentally new principle and it’s a dangerous precedent because the power of the office will no longer be constrained by the law even including the supreme court of the United States.”
Throughout his address, Biden underscored the gravity of the moment, emphasizing that the only barrier to the president’s authority now lies in the personal restraint of the officeholder. He warned vehemently against the prospect of Trump returning to power, painting a stark picture of the dangers such an outcome could pose.
Then fucking do something about it Joe! The DNC has been little more than passive observers to the raise of fascism.
“The DNC” doesn’t do what you think it does.
It doesn’t do what it should.
The point of the party is supposed to be long-term strategy and putting the platform over any one person.
When people talk about what the DNC should be doing, it’s not some “gotchya” to point out that they’re not doing their job and leadership needs replaced.
It’s just proving their point
So because the National Committee’s short and long term strategy is not what you’d be doing, you think they’re not doing anything.
Do you do any local political organizing?
you think they’re not doing anything.
What’s their long term plan?
As far as I can tell, it’s only prevent progressives from taking control of the party.
For now, they’re planning on getting out voters for the general election, and recruiting volunteers along the way.
Most planning falls to state and local parties - which you can easily get involved in.
Why haven’t you?
So basically the only thing they care about is winning, not actually representing peoples values?
Theyre more than just an election committee, thats what the DCCC is for.
Of course they are in it for the money, what do you think?
For now,
Bruh…
Do you know what “long term planning” means?
If you don’t think they have one, say it.
Since we’re talking about a SCOTUS ruling, it would be on Congress to pass legislation.
And to follow up on @teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world’s comment, the Democratic National Committee is a private party organization that supports Democratic candidates in elections. They have nothing to do with passing legislation.
It’s on Biden to personally demonstrate to SCOTUS just how dangerous the ruling was.
By calling for drone strikes on SCOTUS, yes.
I deeply disagree with this take. If we actually care about the Constitution and upholding what it stands for, then we have to work to undo the damage caused by this race to the bottom, not participate in it.
Good luck with that. You can “disagree” all the way to the concentration camp.
You know what would be a fantastic way to spur forward legislation and law stopping the president from doing anything bonkers?
Having the president do something bonkers that the evil assholes who are setting the field to make Trump a king, have no choice but to stop.
Still. The DNC has systems in place to decide who to back in elections to pass legislation. Their messaging since 2015 has been embarrassing. They keep courting moderate conservatives that don’t exist and ignoring unrepresented potential voters who do. They talk about how they win elections when there’s good turn out without ever analyzing which candidates encourage high turnout. Americans want to feel represented in politics and we don’t. The Democrats need to do something that would weaken the democrat party but would weaken the Republican party more: they need to actively begin dismantling the two party system. We want election reform. We want the police to not be a hostile force against the general populace. We want the society we live in to benefit everyone and not just the kinds of people who can afford to finance an election campaign.
The polling exists. We all know that neither party represents or enacts what the people want do. The Democrats refuse to look around and see what’s happening, preferring to rearrange the deck chairs as the ship sinks because that’s the only thing they know to do. And you know? I can’t really blame them. We the people have also been rearranging the deck chairs. We live in a country that only benefits the top but we all still show up to do our duties without looking at what’s going on in other countries where the people are standing up to their authoritarian oppressors.
The worst part is the fascists know what they’re doing. They know to decay the structure by raising the temperature because we’ve become too complacent. We need to stand up to fascism in a way that we haven’t ever since McArthyism.
The DNC has systems in place to decide who to back in elections to pass legislation.
No it does not.
Then what the fuck is a primary and how do they decide to back in a primary and what the fuck is a super delegate?
Bernie lost because he didn’t get enough votes.
Sure. And I voted for warren. My point isn’t “The DNC needs to get their heads out of their asses and make Bernie their nominee” my point is “The DNC needs to get their heads our of their asses and realize their current overall strategy is a losing one”
Ya but was there a thumb on the scale to push people one way?
No
Ugh. Stop. Talking. You Fucking. Knob.
Jesus Christ, someone might believe you so talk less. Please.
Please.
EDIT: PLEASE
Nah.
You all will whine and whine and whine but will never do the most basic political organizing.
Some might call them enablers at this point.
He’s so pissed about it he’s gonna do absolutely nothing!
I would love to see him detain every scotus justice and stash em in a safe house for their protection/national security. Give them no freedom of movement or agency over their lives… see if they change their tune.
You apparently want him to do illegal things because he can now get away with it?
edit: are basic norms being downvoted here because if republicans are corrupt af, we should not have any standards either?
Edit 2: you’re not teaching me anything by telling me the Republicans did something more fucked up first. Do you people honestly think Biden would/could murder political opponents. He obviously won’t. He shouldn’t. Jfc
Edit 3: yup I’m totally saying let’s do nothing about this. You people are brilliant.
Apparently “when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal” is now law.
I like how every single one of these comments are blaming Biden and the Democrats for a supreme court ruling that the conservatives and Republicans enacted. How about we put the blame on the people who are actually doing the terrible things?
This is why the Republicans keep winning btw, because they’re united.
Why doesn’t Biden just illegally overturn this ruling? He has immunity
If you don’t put down a rabid dog and get bitten, I’m not going to blame the dog.
We’re not talking about a diseased animal, we’re talking about people who are making conscious decisions knowing what the results will be. I can and so absolutely blame people for that.
Your metaphor insinuates that Republicans are unable to control their actions. If that were the case, that’s all the more reason to vote and get them out of positions of power.
I don’t think you understand. No reasonable person thinks that republicans are good or not to blame. Blaming the republicans won’t stop them from taking power. They have done and continue to do what they have said they will do and the Democratic party has done nothing to stop them.
It’s like your sky diving, and your parachute fails to open. Do you get upset at gravity or the guy who packed your parachute? Yeah, gravity is what is going to kill you, but it doesn’t care, that was the plan. The guy who packed the parachute is your only real way of controlling the situation.
The Democratic Party packed the parachute and it isn’t opening. Hopefully it does soon.
And now you compare the Republicans to some natural force, as if they are inevitable and inescapable. Gravity has no will, no plan. It just is. Republicans have a will and a plan. Getting mad at the Democrats for not being good enough to stop that is akin to victim blaming. The Republicans should never have gone down this road in the first place.
Do you blame the thief, or do you blame the homeowner for not having better locks? Who do you hold accountable?
The Republicans should never have gone down this road in the first place.
I think this is the crutch of our disagreement. My question to you is why? The Republicans want power. They want to turn the US into a Free Market Theocracy. Why shouldn’t they do what they are doing? I personally think what they are doing is bad, but why should they care?
Getting mad at the Democrats for not being good enough to stop that is akin to victim blaming.
I am more interested in your response to my first point, but I couldn’t let this stand. It’s such a bad comparison. Both the Dems and Republicans are fighting for power, they are not a victim and an aggressor, they are both aggressors.
Do you blame the thief, or do you blame the homeowner for not having better locks?
I blame the police for not arresting the thief when they revealed their plans to rob my house before they robbed it.
Watched the debate, this is a verbatim quote I pulled from the transcript, Biden: “And if I’m elected, I’m going to restore Roe v. Wade.” Why does he have to wait for re-election?
I expect Reps. to strip rights and will always blame them for that. The flip side of that is I expect Dems. to restore them, which isn’t happening and so they should be criticized. It’s just always “we’ll fix it in the future” which is why I put the biden quote in.
Only congress can do something and they tried and failed because we didn’t have enough of a majority. Vote down-ticket blue to get as much control as possible.
Because the Republicans control Congress, and at this point only an act of Congress can restore it.
It comes down to this: a Republican president would veto any abortion protection law, but a Democratic president would pass it. But the law has to get to his desk first.
The party that wants to strip rights are the democrats. They would love nothing more than to disarm every single American. The only “right” they would make sure women had was the “right” to kill babies.
Biden is such a hypocrite. He is claiming Trump would abuse immunity, yet he states he would directly violate the Supreme Court by restoring roe v. wade.
Also, presidents have always had immunity while in office, the Supreme’s just upheld that fact. And immunity hasn’t change by this ruling. A president can’t commit murder and claim immunity.
Weak bait.
WTF are you smoking? This ENTIRE website blasts Trump and Republicans for EVERYTHING!! Welcome to Reddit 2.0.
Deservedly so.
Because according to you guys, we should be a one party country, with only one type of political view… I mean, that’s called communism right?
That’s not called communism. That’s a dictatorship. Communism is about who owns the means of production. Incidentally, the candidate who has been promising to suspend elections, oppress minorities and imprison his political opponents is Donald Trump.
That’s just not true. If you are a fascist and rich, you are a king. You can commit crimes in broad daylight and nothing can be done about it.
Is he going to do anything about it or just promise he won’t use his dictatorial powers for evil?
okay assasinate Trump, you’re legally allowed to do that now
That would be confusing for the secret service.
Welp he’s just gonna wait till let trump be the first to use it. We are still cooked. 🤡🔫
I wonder how long now until the north and south separate. I’m semi facetious, I don’t see how this situation can be resolved from this point. The Supreme Court has to go or else this ends one of 2 ways.
If Biden overturned the decision that gave Donald Trump immunity, then the southern republican states would almost certainly rebel. If Donald Trump takes power as a king in January, then the northern Democratic states will almost certainly rebel.
If only Biden was in power right now. And he could abuse his kingly powers to remove the kingly powers and restore Democracy.
But of course this is an amazing carrot to keep everyone voting for Genocide Joe. Just like how Obama refused to encode Roe v Wade to use it as a carrot in the elections.
This is how dictatorships start. You know it, right?
What is to stop Biden from cancelling the upcoming election?
Being now his powers are effectively unchecked, couldn’t he just call off the election as an official act. Rather than stupid shit like ordering assassination or deploying the military, just say “I’m cancelling the election until such time this ruling is overturned and a constitutional amendment is enacted that states that the president is not immune from criminal prosecution”
What is to stop Biden from cancelling the upcoming election?
Uhhhh he literally can’t. Not because it’s a crime, but because it’s not within his authority. This doesn’t just give them carte blanche to do whatever they want, it just means they can’t be charged with a crime.
He’s the commander in chief of the US military. If there aren’t repercussions for exceeding his authority, it’s essentially unlimited.
If there aren’t repercussions for exceeding his authority,
There still are repercussions, all that has changed is that personal criminal prosecution is no longer among those.
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Trump’s election had an enormous impact that seems to have survived his Presidency, and will continue to do so for decades to come.
So, obviously he could just [redacted] the supreme court justices he doesn’t like, appoint new ones, and then the only thing congress could do would be to expand the court or whatever, right? but then why couldn’t he also just keep killing people in official acts until he gets a bunch of people that are like “yup, that was official and you don’t need to do anything about it”? I know that’s probably a slippery slope, right and would probably get him a shit ton of public pushback, especially after a certain point, from both conservatives, who predominantly make up the military, and economic power structures, to liberals who would prize decorum and “fair play” above all else (but I repeat myself), and so maybe that leads to a dissolution of society, which maybe leads to an even worse society as the people who control the levers of power are already the most horrible people, but, yadda yadda.
But, I dunno, how many congress people does he have to make go away, before the rest of them start to get the picture and then start to behave in their own self-interest, as they’ve always behaved? How many people do you really have to threaten in a system where the people who climb to the top are only going to be there out of their own extreme self-interest?
Isn’t that the definition of a fascistic dictator?
Not so much, it would more be along the lines of a standard military coup, which doesn’t necessarily have to originate from a fascist. Those can and do come from all sides of the political spectrum.
I don’t think biden would ever do that, and probably if he did, he’d be the worst president dictator of all time with only the mild upside that he could maybe only do so for the rest of his probably not long lifespan, or for the next couple months as they run another election, which he would probably do since he seems like kind of a sap.
But, if he were replaced by a person I actually liked, or there was someone who’s policy I agreed with in that position, I’d pretty much be fine with it, and I get the feeling that most people would be fine with it too, as in, a majority of the population. The levers of power might freak out though, and that might put a damper on things.
So you’re ignoring this part of fascism? “forcible suppression of opposition”
that isn’t part of how mussolini defined it.
Well yeah, but that’s only one part of fascism. You could say pretty much the same of any war, lots of non-fascist goverments, and hell, you could say we already do that, just look at how the campus protests were treated, the BLM protests, the civil rights protests, the sufferagettes, a personal favorite of mine would be the horrid history of our oppression of labor by siding with companies and enabling the use of pinkertons to gun down crowds, yadda yadda.
No, if america was to be fascist, it would be fascist for historical reasons which already existed, which have been around for a while already. I don’t know whether or not america suddenly having a dictator, would really have too much of an effect on it suddenly becoming fascist, despite the popular consensus that fascism just requires a really racist guy to suddenly be a dictator. I actually don’t think that would factor too much into the definition at all, I think you could pretty easily have a fascist democracy, and you could definitely have a fascist oligarchy.
I’m pretty sure imperial japan was mostly run by a military cabinet which internally needed a certain number of votes, and the emperor was more like a figurehead and religious figure that had a certain amount of sway over the cabinet’s decisions as he was like, a big deal, more than him being a figure of political power. From what I remember, anyways. Me personally, I’d be pretty comfortable calling imperial japan a fascist state, even if it maybe conforms to that definition less well than, say, italy or germany.
Payback’s gon’ be a bitch. The pendulum will swing the opposite direction with much more force, me thinks.
I’m wondering what side you’re on yet that doesn’t even matter. Your comment shows you’re little more adult than a 15 year old kid.
My point is the right and the left keep going to extremes. And the pendulum is actually an axe blade and all the citizens of this country are strapped to the table beneath that pendulum.
Yeeaaahhh but… When the left goes to extremes youat have to deal with things that are strange or annoying. When the right goes to extremes, entire groups of people are pushed further into poverty, lose their rights, and die.
These two things are NOT the same.
Also: the right has been moving the goal post so many times that extreme left in the US is still considered far right in Europe. You don’t know what far left is.
The Left isn’t going to any extremes. They do almost nothing and it is what is allowing the right to swing to their extremes. This “both sides” take is disingenuous at best. A better analogy is the american people are strapped to a guillotine, the right is ready to release the blade and the left is still trying to debate and dicuss the merits of not dropping it.
Really? Anti-Fa? BLM? C’mon man. Either way, from my point of view, both sides of the isle are making our lives more and more miserable over time.
BLM: Stop killing unarmed citizens and being racist.
You: Why won’t the leftists stop being so extreme???
You forgot about the part where there was violence and property destruction by BLM protestors.
Are they BLM protestors doing that? Or does chaos just bring out all the looters?
I remember in Philly the same thing happened after a football game. Chaos happened, then looting.
We need someone that will use every tool at their disposal to stop trump.
Biden has shown time and time again, that’s he’s just not willing to do that.
Stopping trump is more important than Biden, if he won’t fight, and he won’t get out of the way, and the party won’t force him to…
It’s time to ask why we still support the party. The voters are the irreplaceable part, not the party.
The problem with that, is now “every tool at their disposal to stop trump” is an object lesson in exactly what Biden is talking about.
‘Every tool’ means Every tool
Biden could have expanded the courts 4 years ago, but he didnt.
This could have never happened.
Roe vs Wade could still be standing.
So much shit could be better, but Biden didn’t want to fight.
“In my view, we need a strong Republican Party. We need a Republican Party that’s united.”
-Joe Biden (~2011)
The man is just incompetent and nostalgic for the “good old days” when Dems and Republicans would play grab ass together and hoodwink the public together to protect the status quo and grow the wealth divide. This whole fascism thing, though clearly signaled decades ago, has him scratching his head. He simply doesn’t get it and is too mentally calcified to keep up with the paradigm shift in politics.
Wasnt trump still a Democrat back then? It’s like people never change…wait …
Biden hasn’t changed though. He’s still the same old pro-austerity, pro-corporate, “respectably racist” Republican-at-heart conservative he’s always been. You just can’t see it because Trump is so much more extreme.
