• kitnaht@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Why do we call it “Gender” reassignment surgery, when it’s actually Sex-reassignment surgery? Gender isn’t sex, remember?

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      4 months ago

      Because it’s reassigning someone’s gender - e.g. making a female body look more like a man’s. We don’t have the technology to change someone’s biological sex, but we can help them by giving them a body that more closely resembles their gender identity.

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        People can do whatever they need for their identity, but they need to remember it’s just an identity. It exists for a reason that does not come from within a person. That’s the whole premise of an identity, pursuing a specific treatment from society based on how it identifies you. The happiest people in human history give few fucks about their identity.

        So I can see why some people find it sad. But I can see why other people just as caught up and trained by society would be mad, not really understanding it’s got nothing to do with them.

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          Almost everyone cares deeply about their identity. People’s identities just pull from different things.

          An equivalent would be banning a certain sport or type of music or food type, etc. that people identify with.

          If they tried to ban football or rock music you can bet a lot of people would lose their minds.

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            Yeah, everyone’s got it to a degree. Some will be violent over those sports. Others simply make sure they look professional before going to work. I think people just need to remember what it all is at times though, before harming themselves or others in the process. I get upset at people hating who they are as much as people hating others for who they are, like anyone hada choice in it all lol.

            Can’t wait until we’ve passed it on by and socially evolved, but I will be long dead when that happens. Until then, don’t let people get ya down and just be you, y’all!

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              I think the point is they don’t hate who they are. We don’t let them be themselves. They hate who they are forced to be.

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    4 months ago

    Hhhmmm… Not very genocide of people aren’t being rounded up and executed, and not very silent if there’s news articles talking about it.

    Sensationalist crap.

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      4 months ago

      That’s not what genocide means. You can’t come up with your own definition of a word then attack people for not using said made up definition.

      That said genocide doesn’t quite fit as it’s not based on race or culture. Eugenics would be a more correct term.

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      4 months ago

      UN definition of genocide: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

      Although you can’t technically genocide trans people because they’re not one of the special groups outlined in the definition, you don’t actually need to kill people to commit a genocide. I would argue that there is “intent to destroy, in whole or in part” trans people by “Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group” and “Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”. By taking away healthcare and other accommodations, serious harm is caused to trans people. Couple this with the high suicide rates of bullied and marginalised trans people, one could argue that the lawmakers are intending to kill trans people (although I personally wouldn’t go that far)

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        You could define trans people as a cultural group. And there could be a trans genocide. However, this isn’t genocide. It’s just bigotry and hate. Sure, it could become genocide if left unchecked, but right now it’s not.

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        If this broad definition of causing harm is used, then one can argue that the United States is committing genocide against its general population, considering how screwed up their healthcare system is. So I doubt the United Nations would see it as genocide unless someone is actively committing it.

        And by actively, I mean directly ordering the destruction of trans people, by causing serious bodily and mental harm. That invokes more the image of concentration camps, or work camps, or displaced populations. Kinda what China is doing to the Uyghur people.

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    What kind of trash tier journalism is this. Genocide is a real, serious issue. You can’t just call something a genocide metaphorically, that’s incredibly disrespectful.

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      Lack of healthcare and lack of rights and protections that are common for other minorities, together with a huge deal of oppression, often violence and sometimes murder, is absolutely a kind of genocide, and in no way disrespectful to other forms of genocide.

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        I’m gay. And this isn’t genocide. You could use hate, bigotry, segregation possibly, but genocide requires death, not “sometimes death,” and it’s the whole group, not just the ones who cannot defend themselves. Rich LGBT in the UK are doing just fine.

        Genocide is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

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            Not every oppressed Group of people can be compared to the Jews in Nazi Germany. 6 million trans people aren’t being killed they just have dubious health Coverage. Don’t get me wrong, history won’t look kindly on that.

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              4 months ago

              There is ongoing genocide in Gaza, the number of people killed is nowhere near 6 million. It’s not about the numbers, it’s about the systemic attempt to make a group of people not exist.

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      UN definition of genocide: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

      Although you can’t technically genocide trans people because they’re not one of the special groups outlined in the definition, you don’t actually need to kill people to commit a genocide. I would argue that there is “intent to destroy, in whole or in part” trans people by “Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group” and “Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”. By taking away healthcare and other accommodations, serious harm is caused to trans people. Couple this with the high suicide rates of bullied and marginalised trans people, one could argue that the lawmakers are intending to kill trans people (although I personally wouldn’t go that far)

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        It’s not genocide for the same reason that straight-up euthanising, say, schizophrenics isn’t: Neither are a people, but a subset of every people.

        I’d lump it in with eugenics but genocide is catchy so I’ll permit it despite better semantic judgement.


        EDIT: What, y’all disagreeing with me about the use of “genocide” being politically opportune?

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      It’s not just lack of representation though. The UK is removing trans people’s access to the healthcare that allows them to live a tolerable life.

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        And that is a very serious issue that I feel deeply for and want to help them overcome it.

        But it’s not a fucking genocide.

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      The government literally covered up the massive leap in suicides since banning trans care for youths.

      Bit more than not being represented.

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          It pretty much is. If you ignore the culture / race part. Eugenics would be a more correct term.

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              How magnanimous of you…

              Well now that we all agree on the exact proper word to describe it, can we maybe stop Terf island from “massacring” a population for the horrible crime of existing? I know that it was vital for us all to spend our finite energy and time to get the exact most perfect word for the evil they are causing.

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      4 months ago

      How is lack of healthcare = Not being represented?
      You are making a strawman argument, there is much more to it than not being represented.

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        By that logic, all US Citizens are victims of ongoing genocide.

        Genocides are a real thing that are really happening to people across the world, you can’t just make it mean something less than it is in good conscience.

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          Trans people are losing access to healthcare in disproportionate ways, and unless you’re literally the dumbest person alive or have never read a news headline… you know that they are. Your disingenuous denial contributes to the problem. You are contributing to genocide.