• toastal@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    6 hours ago

    The gall of Cloudflare to think they can be the arbitrator of scraping… this is what happen when all y’all give a singular publicly-traded, US-based major control of the general internet infrastructure by purposefully letting them man-in-the-middle your production sites. Now they get to sell access to what was once an open internet. Instead every time Clouflare or Fastly go down, half of the internet goes down with them.

    • piyuv@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      18 minutes ago

      “We can scrape open internet” is such a CEO take. I’m no fan of Cloudflare but what they’re doing here is good for open web and bad for AI bros

    • morrowind@lemmy.mlOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      6 hours ago

      They don’t think they’re the arbitrer of scraping dumbass, this is a service they’re selling to websites who don’t want AI scrapers taking adnatage of them.

      • toastal@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        41 minutes ago

        They are precisely deciding who can scrape what by sitting in the middle of like 30% of internet traffic & denying access. There is no way to tell if this ‘scraping’ is for research, hobby, commercial, or “AI” purposes; conveniently if it can make Cloudflare money, they’ll let you charge a toll. If Cloudflare cared about AI issues, they wouldn’t be having unpaid users solve/train their hCAPTCHA models just for visiting a site from Tor, a VPN, or even just a non-‘Western’ IP address. The fact that folks/businesses bought into this centralization is frightening—with little open access to information or allowing folks to stay anonymous (whatever their motivation).

        Also don’t dare call someone “dumbass” if you can’t be bothered to turn on spell check or understand how commas work.

  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    26
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    15 hours ago

    Does that mean scraping without paying access to scrape it is circumventing a protection and so can be treated like cracked software/piracy of movies? /s